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Casey Christofaris

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Is evolution/religion/everything a self fulfilling prophecy?

What separates us from the rest of species? Recognition of self right? Some will want to argue that there are other species that can recognize self. But then you need to ask well do they recognize self do to our experiments and what we have defined as self recognition or is it innately in them? So is it that we recognize self because of them through evolution or do they recognize self do to us? A bird called the magpie is self aware using the mirror test. It’s easy now to look in a mirror and say yep that’s me, but it’s a million times harder to say that this is just a visual representation of trillions of moving, living, self-replicating entities.

This is the principles that I would like to use in defining self fulfilling prophecy:
Robert Merton's concept of the self-fulfilling prophecy stems from the Thomas theorem, which states that "If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences."[2] According to Thomas, people react not only to the situations they are in, but also, and often primarily, to the way they perceive the situations and to the meaning they assign to these perceptions. This causes people to have negative viewpoints. Therefore, their behavior is determined in part by their perception and the meaning they ascribe to the situations they are in, rather than by the situations themselves. Once people convince themselves that a situation really has a certain meaning, regardless of whether it actually does, they will take very real actions in consequence.

So we are just a bunch of self replicating entities that have evolved in to a self recognizing being. Will history keep repeating its "self"?

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  • Nov 14 2012: Is everything a self fulfilling prophecy ?

    I think, yes.
    The distance between the observer and the observed is space; space is generatable from time. Remove time from the picture ( it's illusion ) and observer becomes the observed iow the prophet the prophecy and those who fulfill the prophecy are one.
    I don't know how it is happening , but it seems to be what is happening.
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      Nov 15 2012: Truth is I think I can explain why this is happening but its extremely hard to put in written word
      • Nov 16 2012: Thanks, Casey, you've said a lot with your question, which is the answer.
        I am not sure that ' why ? ' is distinguishable from 'how ? ' in this context, but i have the feeling that 'why ' has something to do with the biblical myth of the fall and ' free will '
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          Nov 19 2012: It was mans recognition of self that also allowed god to be self reflecting(funny term). From the beginning of time god as embodied in the light or sun. Spent years (although time did not exist) trying to figure out what was going on. And it opposite dark (which is also a god) dark's the one that told truth to adam and eve the truth to eat from the tree of life and to gain knowledge. when god lied and said it would kill them. Which created the fall of man. However the light has been storing information on the dark or celestial body's every since the big bag which is just another example of E pluribus unum. We all know that light stores information see fiber optics. So god used the peaks and valleys (gain perspective). As well as gaps and bumps to record information gained. Much like how a cd or record player stores memory. Once man became self reflective(funny term) god was able to pull that information forward and make sense of it all to man. In only seven days which god does not function in man time because it is arbitrary. Hope this makes sense
      • Nov 19 2012: Yes it does :)
        But ...
        ".. when god lied and said it would kill them"


        God does not lie , never, it's a kind of impossible condition for ' all probabilities' or 'all and any ' It was a 'worning ; knowledge based on separation , for every thing is what it is and what it is not. Good /evil, dark/light,... me/not me and here the ego was born . Ego creates illusion of separation from the Whole and pushes us into time, where we grow old and die, " thou shalt surely die " Awareness of death means awareness of time, it's ego that dies. " Only he who looses his life shall find it " It's not about death it's about awakening.


        It was mans recognition of self that also allowed god to be self reflecting.

        Yes, " Time is a theater of god's becoming " To know god , know thyself.

        From the beginning of time god as embodied in the light or sun.

        "When you are in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one, you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"

        It's from Gospel of Thomas. Here is the link, if you are not familiar with it already

        http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/maps/primary/gthomas.html

        Thanks for responding !
      • Nov 19 2012: In the time aspect, we are the BECOMING OF BEING, while in the `timeless' aspect, we are the BEING OF BECOMING.

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