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Casey Christofaris

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Is evolution/religion/everything a self fulfilling prophecy?

What separates us from the rest of species? Recognition of self right? Some will want to argue that there are other species that can recognize self. But then you need to ask well do they recognize self do to our experiments and what we have defined as self recognition or is it innately in them? So is it that we recognize self because of them through evolution or do they recognize self do to us? A bird called the magpie is self aware using the mirror test. It’s easy now to look in a mirror and say yep that’s me, but it’s a million times harder to say that this is just a visual representation of trillions of moving, living, self-replicating entities.

This is the principles that I would like to use in defining self fulfilling prophecy:
Robert Merton's concept of the self-fulfilling prophecy stems from the Thomas theorem, which states that "If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences."[2] According to Thomas, people react not only to the situations they are in, but also, and often primarily, to the way they perceive the situations and to the meaning they assign to these perceptions. This causes people to have negative viewpoints. Therefore, their behavior is determined in part by their perception and the meaning they ascribe to the situations they are in, rather than by the situations themselves. Once people convince themselves that a situation really has a certain meaning, regardless of whether it actually does, they will take very real actions in consequence.

So we are just a bunch of self replicating entities that have evolved in to a self recognizing being. Will history keep repeating its "self"?

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    Nov 11 2012: Hi Casey, as you said in your opening remarks,
    ""According to Thomas, people react not only to the situations they are in, but also, and often primarily, to the way they perceive the situations and to the meaning they assign to these perceptions."

    That reaction can indeed be negative, but certainly does not have to be.
    I'd like to think we have free will. That does not mean we can determine what happens to us, but we do have the freedom to decide how to react to whatever happens to us. We can accidentally hit our thumb with a hammer, but that does not mean we are forced to swear.

    We are in total freedom to spiritually 'shape' ourselves, and be responsible for the outcome. That is what life is ali about and thus why we are here (to determine our own eternity).
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      Nov 13 2012: Good Day Adriaan,

      “there are three Persons in God, each of whom is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one. claims to understand this; it is admitted on all sides that this is incomprehensible - a mystery, a Divine mystery, and must remain so in this life.”

      Actually I have answered this question and can prove not only how 3 can be one but that we are all one. Check out my ted conversation, oddly enough when I started with the ted conversation it was not my intent to answer this question. http://www.ted.com/conversations/13925/is_our_math_wrong_is_it_our_a.html

      "it is true that we will never understand everything about God, because He is Infinite and we are finite."

      This statement is not completely true, although is is true that God is infinite and we are finite. That is only as how you define what you are trying to define. Yes as humans we are finite as far as the body is concerned, but we are infinite as far as the mind not the brain is concerned. The mind/soul exist in the infinite.

      "That is what life is ali about and thus why we are here (to determine our own eternity)."
      We can not define our eternity, while still perceiving that we live in the finite. If god created the earth, and man created time, then the earth should be just as infinite as god is, unless man or god destroy's it.
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        Nov 13 2012: Hello Casey, I am not really that interested in what you can 'proof'.
        When God says He is One, I do not see the option for a human being to interpret that as 'I am three Gods'
        Even three seperate cars are not one car.
        The, to us, correct interpretation of how God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit relate is that they are three aspects of One God. Just as we have a soul/spirit, a body and an influence on the world around us. Three aspects can make one, as three colors can make one color.
        When Jesus is asked to put in a good word for us with God, we see them as two different entities.

        I am sorry but there is nothing ours that is infinite. We are totally finite and can only comprehend Divine Truth as a dog can understand human thought. We are born. Having a beginning of body and spirit means we are not infinite. If we think we are, we don't know what infinity is and means.

        God created the universe and thus time. We used the appearance of time to apply it to life.

        God did not create the universe out of Himself, this is how we see it. But keep it coming I'd love to talk about it more
        http://sites.google.com/site/liveitupspiritually/home/source/Creation_Odhner.pdf?attredirects=0
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          Nov 14 2012: Good Day Adriaan,

          If you read that ted conversation, you will realize that not only is 3 cars not one, but that there is no such thing that is "Car". Car is just an idea of completion of thoughts and or in this case parts as well. So I guess if you look at your self are you; 10 trillion self recognizing/replicating beings or are you one being? See Bonnie Bassler for more clarification on this idea. This is in my opinion a great example of how many can be one. E pluribus unum.

          I promise to read as much of that link that you sent if you promise to read as much of my link as well. Although I will read yours even is you do not read mine.

          Also please do not feel like I am attacking you or your beliefs. I will get back to you after reading your link on creation. On my thoughts of how both creation and evolution. "created this universe"
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          Nov 14 2012: Also I don't know what your views of evolution are, but if you look at how a human is created from birth to conception. Check out this video

          http://www.ted.com/talks/alexander_tsiaras_conception_to_birth_visualized.html
          and
          http://www.ted.com/talks/david_bolinsky_animates_a_cell.html

          I can not see how the creation of a child from seed to adult is not evolution happening on a very fundamental level. You start out with what was a sperm and an egg and over the course of time evolve to what is considered the most advanced being of all time. How is this not evolution on a fundamental level?

          Plus if you look at one explanation science uses of how life started here on earth it is oddly similar to a sperm, landing on a egg. Or a comet crashing here on earth.
        • Nov 14 2012: Hi, Adriaan,
          It's really interesting, Wallace had probably said the most powerful thing that’d been said in the 19th Century :
          A Necessary Unity....and it was not a Deity.
          Wallace :
          "The action of this principle is exactly like that of the centrifugal governor of the steam engine, which checks and corrects any irregularities almost before they become evident .."
          Very different from Darwin's ' trial and error' approach and echoes somehow with Sheldrake's 'Morphic field'.
          Thanks for the link !
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          Nov 18 2012: Its funny to see people arguing about the trinity, when there is nothing to prove any type of god or goddess actually manifests in reality.

          In regards to the development of the Christian triune god, it seems to have been made up after the death of a Jewish religious teacher, who probably did exist, but was just a human.
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          Nov 19 2012: Good Day Obey,

          It gets much better then that. I can tell you the holy trinity of existence. Or why we exist, mans belief in god, mans belief in science, and gods belief in man. That is what allows this reality if you would like to call it to exist. It is our ability to self reflect (funny term) that makes man special.
      • Nov 14 2012: Casey ,
        so, the evolution is not pushed from the past, as it is considered to be , but pulled towards the future, right ? Past and future becomes purely conventional here as it should be.
        It is similar to what Rupert Sheldrake is saying , check out here
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpudgs9ZTfg&feature=related
        Hope you'll enjoy the video ! :)
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          Nov 14 2012: Hi Natasha, it is a great talk and presentation!
          Allow me here to present a paper that includes (in part three) views, and similarities between Dr Sheldrake and Swedenborg. Maybe they are using different words but havng the same meaning. I understand Dr Sheldrake has also given lectures at the Swedenborg Hall in London.

          http://www.swedenborgstudy.com/articles/science-math/mrc90.html

          and I'm still enjoying the video too
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        Nov 14 2012: Hi Casey. Thanks for your links (the first one I have on my profile as well)
        It almost seems just a play of words, and not that very helpful at that. It maybe a high number of parts that make a car or a human body, but it is the use that is performed which makes it what we call it. Whether it is 10 trillion parts does not make any difference, since no body is the same as another any way.
        Besides that, and more importantly, we are not our body. It is not important what we wear, drive or sit next to. Nothing of that makes us the person (spirit) we are, and nothing of that lives forever from now on. Our spirit does go on forever (from now on) and how we have used or applied our body during this life only shapes that spirit. Our (spiritual) 'shape' after the body dies is determined by what we love. How many parts our physical body had is of absolutely no importance whatsoever.
        We have decided to call a car "a car" because now we can get around better and faster than 500 years ago. Now our life would be very different if we have a car or not. Now we can exchange ideas about cars, decide which one is best for out situation etc. When we talk about cars, we are no talking about 'nothing.' This almost seems more a play of words than a useful exchange. A three your old can talk to you about a car.. are you going to tell that kid 'cars do not exist?' :)

        "On my thoughts of how both creation and evolution. "created this universe""
        Sounds great to me. I do believe that science and religion should very much go together. But that each should know their limits. Just because science cannot 'proof' anything spiritual, that does not mean a spiritual world does not exist. And a spiritual interpretation of the Bible leaves more room for science to say how old humanity is.

        My view on evolution is that it is not growth and development of one species. I think it is meant as a method that a crawling animal becomes a fish. But then, I see evolution is a process, not a 'creation' of life.

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