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Code Pink Peace Delegation to Pakistan
Okay, first off... This is mostly a shameless plug. I saw this organization on CNN this morning, and I thought it was the single coolest thing any Americans were doing to fight drone strikes in Pakistan. If you haven't seen this organization before, and you care about this issue, I highly reccomend supporting them...
http://www.codepink4peace.org/article.php?id=6174
It's an insanely naive and hippie oriented idea, but I absolutely love that a group of Americans went to Pakistan to fight drone strikes. It's the right thing to do... and they are definately going to bring some attention to the issue.
That said... Just to be me... The alpha male is screaming out "Really? Is that the new thing? Am I really going to just be wearing pink 24/7 because I want to support responsible moral causes?" Couldn't it have been Code Green?
Robert Winner 50+
Do you think that Jane Fonda is respected by the North Vietnamese. No she was a political tool to break the moral of the American fighting men. In other generations and certainly other countries she would have been tried and shot.
Drones are a effective tool in the effort to which there is little or no defense. The "enemy" wishes it to be discontinued because it is a effective weapon. The only thing that has occured here is that these people who participate have placed themselves on a watch list of subversive individuals to the safe and secure operation of the country. Radical behavior always raises the red flag and is always documented.
I do agree with you it is a insanely naive and hippie oriented idea. As states under your photo ... a foolish solution.
All the best David .... Bob.
John Smith 30+
David Hamilton 50+
In your first question... You prove that you barely deserve the right to speak... "do the pakistani's have any respect for these people"?... The Pakistani's... Are they just a uniform block? Like American's, we're all the same, just a uniform block of patriotic red neck christian gun nuts who don't like book learnin. Some people in Pakistan respect these people. Some do not. Some Americans respect them, some do not. Some people have respect for human life... Some do not.
Robert Winner 50+
The United States' strained relationship with Pakistan has grown more tense after 50 influential imams and religious leaders there threatened a jihad against the U.S.
I understand the conflict of the Americans controlling the drones in Pakistani airspace and that continues to be a problem. The US is not operating without permission but the Pakistans want control understandably.
With a strong diplomatic corps and a willing administration this may not have come to this pivital point. In a failed government the religion usually become the default leader. Such I believe is the case here.
I believe that religion is the best recruitment tool for the terrorists.
We have agreed and disagreed in the past but have always had a open and informative discussion on all issues. You appear to be more passionate about this as the whole last paragraph was a emotional argument. Most unlike you.
Best wishes ..... Bob.
David Hamilton 50+
Most people in this country, believe in a version of christianity, which suggests that every Islamic man and woman will burn in hell. People hate each other because of insane fairy tales, and it's depressing, and disgusting, and embarassing... How old are you, that you still believe everyone in Pakistan, is the exact same stereotype? That's sad, and it's getting people in this country killed because you still think this way.
I don't think you mean to disrespect millions of people who have operated under tyranny for thousands of years. That is what you are doing though, so while I agree with you on other issues... I want to be very clear, this is the kind of "us vs them" thinking, that is destroying the planet, and there is no excuse for someone who has come of age, to continue to perpetrate this nonsense.
It's not an emotional issue, it's a rational one. If people who think like this take control of our government again, you will enter this nation into a holy war, it does not want, and it will lose. More United States soldiers have killed themselves, than were killed by the enemy... Your children are setting themselves on fire Robert... It is not a laughing matter.
Robert Winner 50+
Perhaps we shall find grounds on a more agreeable subject to continue the fruitful discussions we have enjoyed in the past.
I wish you well. Bob.
David Hamilton 50+
I find what you have said here to be the epitomy of evil, and absolutely disturbing. I don't know how you can live with yourself after expressing such horrific thoughts. The soldiers of the nation you once loved are killing themselves rather than fighting this insane war... But you think there are more enemies out there you can send them to kill, for dumber reasons... It's disgusting.
Robert Winner 50+
David Hamilton 50+
The misrepresentation of an entire nation of people, based on the idea that they all support the terrorist.
"Do you think that Jane Fonda is respected by the North Vietnamese. No she was a political tool to break the moral of the American fighting men"
I understand what you are saying here, and there is truth in it, but... again, all of the North Vietnamese are a uniform block... Really? You don't think some people, regular joes trying to work a job, thought it was a nice gesture of peace? People are people Bob.
"Drones are a effective tool in the effort to which there is little or no defense. The "enemy" wishes it to be discontinued because it is a effective weapon."
Less than 4% of the people killed by drones are identified terror suspects... 18 year old boys, are being trained to operate flying killer robots, by computer game... They are then blowing their own brains out in record numbers. This is the least effective, and most disgusting thing human beings have ever done in a war, and the people protesting it, are not our enemy.
"officially Pakistan is The Islamic Republic of Pakistan. The Islamic view of non-believers is hardly hidden as I am sure that you know.
The United States' strained relationship with Pakistan has grown more tense after 50 influential imams and religious leaders there threatened a jihad against the U.S."
Again, all the Pakistani people are the same to you... We have killed hundreds of thousands of muslims who had nothing to do with 9/11... Who is declaring a jihad?
"I believe that religion is the best recruitment tool for the terrorists"
I assure you that the bodies of your family members, would make better motivation for you, than any book. This is not misrepresentation, i hope you change your mind.
Feyisayo Anjorin 50+
But Code Pink is an organisation for women; and as you have rightly stated, the effort is laudable.
For these group of passionate and exemplary women it is not just about wearing pink, but about taking action.
Yes David; you can start something similar; and choose an alpha male colour for the awareness.
John Smith 30+
Madhavi Gavini
Ken brown 30+
David Hamilton 50+
I would not be entirely surprised if soon we're the only country that doesn't let them on our soil... despite selling them to everyone else. Hypocrisy ftw. That seems like a naive dream though, they're already flying around.
Even if we're all going this way, it's horrible, and these women spent some money, and did something creative, that got on TV for the cause... Respect.