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Why is Marijuana Illegal?
Marijuana poses less of a threat than cigarettes do... So.... Why is it illegal?
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Marijuana poses less of a threat than cigarettes do... So.... Why is it illegal?
Maile Helgeson
this looked ok info-wise (as far as my memory from college haha) though there are no notations on where the info came from :/ which I don't like.
Sebastian Guerraty
Dr Strangelove
Daniel Harder
Daniel Harder
Also “hemp” is made from the male of the species which has no THC or next to none
also deaths from cigarettes is not near as many as it is reported that there is. Death from cigarettes is a category that they use in the morgue. If someone dies from cancer or lung problems and it is reported that they ever smoked then they categorize it as death due to smoking forgetting the maybe that he worked with insulation or had asbestos in his house that was under high power lines.
Allan Macdougall 30+
** http://www.ted.com/talks/ben_goldacre_what_doctors_don_t_know_about_the_drugs_they_prescribe.html
Xavier Belvemont 30+
Reason and logic don't come into it.
As its already been said, a legalization of Marijuana would vastly effect:
Big Pharma
Tobacco
Alcohol
Private Prisons
among others, and all of which have Lobbyists to make sure it won't be legalized.
Parker Pearlstein
Mats Kaarbö 10+
If there is an abundance of something, people will not pay for it and that's bad news for corporations and our monetary system in general.
David Brager
1. The villains made cannabis illegal the very same day they made THEIR opium illegal AND THEN
2. They created the FBI with a rule that no agent is ever to have used cannabis (someone at DEA had to fight tooth and nail to get cannabis labeled a hypnotic because it awakens the mind's eye) AND THEN
3. They ran Manchurian Candidate Project on the US Marine Corps to frighten an uneducated public so they could get policies in place so neither police nor military could use these best innate abilities AND THEN
4. They created the US Department of Education to set hypnosis only to the most Ph.D. levels of study in psychology, never revealing that it is a COMMUNICATIONS FIELD through and through AND THEN
5. They ran Stargate in the 80's to make remote viewing look like a NEW discovery.
THIS IS COMPUTER GAME DESIGN LOGISTICS IN SPACE-TIME. I am an expert in this stuff, and these are not conducive logistics for the PROTECTION OF THE UNITED STATES.
Please check out my profile for more data.
(Edited from original as I was informed original violated TED.com Terms of Use ")
John Moonstroller 20+
You see, back then it was not illegal to smoke pot. Hemp was a major source of cloth, oil, etc.
They could have made it illegal to smoke pot but that would not make it illegal to grow it. So they made it illegal to smoke it and by default it became illegal to grow it. It took a few more court cases to establish the illegal to grow part.
The major growers were paid to quit growing it and the small time growers were put in prison. Hemp is still a major product in other parts of the world and, of course, it is smoked as well.
Nicholas Lukowiak 50+
While hemp can provide a great deal of green products, those corporations whom make billions on non-green products have lobby in government to protect their interest by lies and propaganda. As well as alcohol companies and pharmaceuticals.
Example: When California was trying to past their prop. two weeks before voting big alcohol companies advertised antimarijuana campaigns.
Also prisons are another massive industry whom purchase from a lot of companies as well as create jobs ... To legalize marijuana would put a lot of people out of work..
This is not the first conversation to exist about the topic of marijuana, go search for the others for more opinions.
John Moonstroller 20+
And smoking by default.
I assure you during the days of hemp growing, the hemp farmers were a very happy lot.
:)
Nicholas Lukowiak 50+
Paper and cotton alternative products, ethanol fuel, sugar extracts.
Plenty of economies and demographics (marco and micro) will change
John Moonstroller 20+
The real wall that no one will be able to get over is the plastics industry. They have plenty of bucks to shoot down anything a state law does. The only way to overcome it is through Federal legislation, which won't happen because of the lobby bucks.
You will have to either move to a different country or wait until the oil runs out. :)
JFA Meys
This has theoretically two effects :
1) just like cigarette smoke, smoking marihuana definitely increases the risk of lung cancer
2) even more than cigarette smoke, smoking marihuana is likely to increase the risk on lung emphysema due to damage to the lungs.
I'm not going to do a complete meta analysis on all conducted studies, but a recent talk by Ben Goldacre gives you a good idea about why your claim is absolute excrement of a male cow. On the other hand, you can eat marihuana in a cake.
This said, Marihuana is illegal because the governement said so. The question is not why marihuana is illegal, but why alcohol isn't. The same arguments used for marihuana go for alcohol:
- it is addictive
- it is bad for both mental and physical health if abused
- it causes a lot of social problems
Reason why alcohol isn't illegal : because making it illegal would make the problem bigger: there would be a complete black market, the quality of alcohol cannot be guaranteed any longer (think about methanol), the governement would lose a lot of taxes, and especially the whole underground moving of alcohol would make it a whole lot more difficult to find and treat the problem cases.
Exactly for that reason, it makes sense to make marihuana legal:
- you can control additives, percentage of THC and general quality of the sold marihuana
- you take away a major source of income for criminals
- you make it more easy to find and treat problematic use
- you can raise taxes on it, and do something useful with that money
- you can use a whole lot of money that's now wasted on hunting down marihuana for some bigger problems.
In short: you ask the wrong question, and look for the wrong answer.
Lars Mews
2. You show large problems in text understanding and writing, but want to read peoples mind? Can this work out, be serious! :)
3. Prisons do not prevent crimes, they stop criminals from commiting more crimes. You seem to have misunderstood this simple fact. Its not a prisons job to "prevent" crimes, how could they, would it mean that everybody has to be imprisoned before he or she commited a crime, so that the prison can prevent something, what is luckily not happening.
Again, remember the topic you mistakenly answered to. Marijuana is not illegal because of private jails lobbyism, it was already illegal.
4. I understood that, but you do not seem to understand the quotes you choosen? When you compare something, think about why you compare it. The quote says that crime rates go down, imprisonments gone up. That does not say it is unnecessary to imprison people, it says the opposite. It says that prison works and these are needed.
Your argue like "deaths in car accidents decreased in the last decade, but number of seat belts increased-seat belt manufacturers want more deadly car accidents."
james carson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvFRDImJ4QI
Aster C Linn
Charles Barrette
It's a $70 billion worth industry that keeps growing each year to the point it's becoming an insult to reality, reason and justice. According to the Rutherford Institute, ''despite the fact that violent crime in America has been on the decline, the nation's incarceration rate as tripled since 1980''. A study from the Federal Bureau of Prisons concludes : '' the majority of those being held in federal prisons are convicted of drug offenses—namely, marijuana. Presently, one out of every 100 Americans is serving time behind bars ''.
I also strongly suggest you read this:
https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/jailing_americans_for_profit_the_rise_of_the_prison_industrial_complex
Lars Mews
Sounds cute, but is nonsense. If you want, you could check any federal states law and see what is needed to go to jail because of marijuana posession or use. And a drug offense is most times much more than just using a drug, it is in most cases connected with trade, gun possesion, other related crimes.
This is no argument, otherwise it could be used for anything that is leading the charts-if the majority of inmates would be mass muderers with a fetish for rape, should we think about legalising this? I mean, if just the number of inmates is the reason to think about justice and law in general, than it would be a very infantile view on the subject.
"Private jails always need more ''criminals'' to stay financially viable and they are logically less inclined to favor rehabilitation into society over successive re-incarceration, regardless what the committed crimes are."
That is true and nonsense together. Of course a jail needs a "full house" to be in economic balance, but this is no matter of private or not, a jail run by state has the same problem. And, the state would have no reason to increase his costs by sending more inmates, he would simply not care if these private jails make a profit or not.
''despite the fact that violent crime in America has been on the decline, the nation's incarceration rate as tripled since 1980''
Probably because most of the bad guys and girls is behind bars? Nah, that would be too easy, this can't be, no way....
Charles Barrette
1. Of course, a lot of drug related cases are connected with other types of crimes. But I don't see where this is refuted in the related quote so your first paragraph is pointless.
2. The number of inmates is not the reason this debate exists. Saying that it amounts to legalizing murder/rape simply because the majority of the prison population has been found guilty of it is nonsense and tells me more about your imagination than about the subject.
3. Private corporations don't run jails with the same intents that the government (on behalf of the society) does. Sure, both try to be as cost-effective as they can in the present circumstances and cut here and there, that is not the question, but they simply don't get their revenues or profits the same way. It costed $44,563 to incarcerate a prisoner for a year (2011) in California, nearly the same price as a year at Harvard University with room and board. So obviously, the state is inclined to reduce its spending by investing time and efforts in preventing crimes and rehabilitating those who can be, realistically.
Private corporations like CCA and GEO Group, on the contrary, strive when there's more convicts to take care of. They used their lobbies to buy the states and the federal government into guaranteeing that their super-sized, demographically unrealistic and mismanaged jails will be filled to a minimum of 90% of their capacity. They don't care about rehabilitation or preventing crime, they just need a constant flow of new inmates to make their money.
4. I don't think you understand what incarceration rate meant in that sentence. It's not the percentage of convicts within the population of the country. It's the number of new convicts on a given year (2011) compared to the previous or any other given one (1980).
Lars Mews
That is wrong. Any smoked tobacco is at least same harmful to you like any other thing you burn and smoke. Smoke damages your lungs, and so on, and the risk of cancer is given too.
Beyond that, marijuana can cause the outbreak of a psychosis in people.
"Why is it illegal?"
There a lots of reasons. A better question would be, why it should be legalised? Just that other way less harmfull substances are allowed (which are in most nations just "two", cigarettes and alcohol, or better just one, as cigarettes do not affect your mind) would be a really weak point to start a debate.
David Hamilton 50+
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htm
For the list of hundreds of medical organizations which support legallization http://norml.org/aboutmarijuana/item/quick-reference?category_id=734
Marijuana is only illegal, to keep hemp illegal, because hemp is a wonder crop which would put cotton and oil out of business.
Lars Mews
Of course marijuana is sameway radiated like any other plant that is growing outside. If you think that the marijuana from greenhouses is better, well, you could also raise tobacco in greenhouses...
It might slow down the growth of some tumors, but it also speeds up the growth of other tumors, as already researched.
"Medical organizations", well, how trustful are they? Is Glaxo, Pfizer etc, not a "medical organization"? You could also say "someone supports ...", but that does not give it that special shine of supposed authority, right? Because hemp huggers are cute, pill manufacturers are evil...
David Hamilton 50+
Also, you don't have to smoke marijuana, and if it were legal, far more people would choose to eat it. Ingesting marijuana in food, is 10 times healthier a vice than alcohol or tobacco.
Hemp huggers are people who study science, biology, and industrial applications of Hemp products... their cuteness is unimportant. Their credentials are.
Lars Mews
Yes, but that was not my point. My point was, why someones bottom line is more trustworthy than someone elses? Hemp does not cure cancer, nor aids, nor anything else. So do many medications from Glaxo and Co..
But, do we really need another medication without true benefit for the patient? There are lots of things who ease suffering already, this is not the true problem someone with cancer deals with. The real problem is heavy pain, mental dysfunctions and that they gonna die.
For pain issues hemp does not help, mental dysfunctions get even worse through hemp, and death is not prevented either. If there was at least one thing hemp could do better than what already exists, then there would be no debate, it would be in use. But it is not better, just diffrent. The negative sides of a legalisation do not outweigh the very small sides that can be considered positive.
Hemp is researched, this can be done already-no legalisation is needed insofar.
" Ingesting marijuana in food, is 10 times healthier a vice than alcohol or tobacco.."
Neither alcohol, nor tobacco is "healthy". Marijuana is also not "healthy". Something that is not healthy in general can not be healthier than something else-it remains unhealthy.
By the way, nobody ingests tobacco in food, and alcohol only in sweets, i would not know any meal which receipt says you have to ingest pure alcohol. Might be that you add some alcoholic beverage for flavor, but the alcohol is not the ingridient needed.
"Hemp huggers are people who study science, biology, and industrial applications of Hemp products... their cuteness is unimportant. Their credentials are."
Their credentials are not better than those of people working at Glaxo and others. That you like one side more than the other does not say something about how trustworthy or good the argument of a side is.
David Hamilton 50+
One vice can certainly be healthier than another. Alcohol, is a much healthier vice than crack cocaine.
Alcohol is only ingested... If you ingest marijuana instead of smoking it... It is far less harmful than alcohol but still povides the same self medicating effect. Why would one be legal and the other not, if there weren't alterior motives involved.
The American Association for Cancer Research, doesn't have a bottom line. It has nothing to gain from legalization save a new tool in the tool box. Marijuana, actually cures cancer, and stops the growth of new cancer cells better than almost anything else on the market. It is especially effictive in oil form, for treating skin cancer.
http://www.naturalnews.com/033757_cannabis_oil_cancer_cure.html
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/08/29/skin-cancer-patient-says-oil-from-medical-marijuana-is-a-cure/#photo-1
http://www.nowpublic.com/thc_marijuana_helps_cure_cancer_says_harvard_study
Harvard study... again... The bottom line is knowledge...
PS. Proving the cause of a mental illness is virtually impossible. Often the correlation between marijuana use and psychosis, is used to suggest that marijuana causes the disoder. In fact, this is an obvious distortion, as psychosis is just as much more common in alcoholics, as it is in marijuana users. Psychotics self medicate, marijuana is one option.
John Smith 30+
Because, alcohol, nicotine and caffeine were culturally accepted in the Western world before the first drug laws were enacted, but marijuana was not.
David Hamilton 50+
Roberto Garcia
Barry Palmer 50+
I became curious about this exact question when I was in high school in the 1960's. I tried to write a research paper on marijuana. I found that I could not because there were NO sources available. Marijuana was made illegal before anyone had done any research on its physiological effects. The law made it illegal to do ANY research on the plant. This was very irregular. When other substances were made illegal, there was usually language in the law to allow a legal way to obtain small quantities of the substance for research. The ban on hemp was absolute. That meant that there was no way to scientifically demonstrate that marijuana was either harmful or (perhaps more importantly) harmless.
Where I grew up, we say situations like this smell fishy. Congress banned a substance, supposedly because of the negative effects of smoking it, when there was no research to show that there were any negative effects. IMO, there were other, much more important reasons for banning hemp.
David Hamilton 50+
Marijuana is illegal because the cotton lobby, wants hemp illegal... That is all. Also soy bean lobbies want hemp illegal, because hemp heart protein is one of the most digestable and healthy on the planet... It's also a great biofuel... it's a weed... it was Jeffersons dream crop, and yes, he grew lots of it, as did many of our founding fathers. It's bad for ya... but it's illegal for very different reasons.
Sharon McCann 10+
Now, it is mostly because the prison industrial complex has to keep some very popular behaviors illegal in order to keep the prisons full..... There are some amazing history books on the subject out there.
Rick Ryan 10+
If the entire population of the country showed up on the lawn of the Capitol Building in Washington, D.C., pulled out a joint, and lit it up...what do you think would happen? Everyone would get arrested and placed in prison? There aren't enough jail cells.
Society could reverse every reason you presented for marijuana being illegal today if enough of the society "demanded" it. They did it with the Prohibition restriction against alcohol. They are doing it "in reverse" with cigarettes by rallying against second hand smoke (which allows the government to also raise the taxes on the continued sales of cigarettes without any significant backlash from doing it). Caffeine? It's a drug that has been proven to be addictive...but society is so hooked on it, it will never be outlawed.
Marijuana is not legal because the current majority of society doesn't want it to be legal. If society ever presented a rebellion large enough in favor of it becoming legal (like society did against Prohibition), the lawmakers would be forced to accomodate the decision. Of course, marijuana would become a legal commodity then, just like alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine. So it would be obvious to expect it to become a marketable good, and the sale of it would be handled by businesses just like the alcohol, tobacco, and caffeine industries (for the consumers who didn't want to grow their own...people currently can make their own beer, grow their own tobacco plants, and could grow their own coffee plants if they wanted to).
And the "prison industrial complex" would have to find different "criminals" to support their industry (if that theory is actually factual to begin with).
Barry Palmer 50+
If you are talking about society in the USA, the government has very effectively brainwashed the majority into believing that marijuana is the "killer weed." I certainly do not believe that marijuana is harmless, but everything has a positive and negative side. We accept 35,000 fatalities a year from auto accidents and far more are killed in hospitals by mistakes. When you view marijuana in the larger context, any objective analysis would conclude that it would do more good than harm to legalize it and make hemp available for textiles, rope and other uses.
There are very powerful corporations that are intent on keeping hemp off the market, and they do not care how many people are denied the good that the plant can do. Lies are their primary weapon, and they are very good at using them.
Rick Ryan 10+
Marijuana is a drug (or more precisely, the plant contains a drug...something that alters human physiology). In that regard, it's no different then nicotine (cigarettes), alcohol (pick your beverage), or caffeine (coffee, tea, and the pleathora of "energy drinks") that are legally available to the public now. All drugs are legislated, but in different ways.
Society would go nuts if the legislators made nicotine, caffeine, and alcohol illegal tomorrow. There's be a rebellion, and most citizens would disregard the new laws anyhow (remember Prohibition?).
Society hasn't reached that point yet about "weed". Enough of society still views marijuana use as "bad", so they aren't concerned that it is not legal. OR, on the other hand, if someone thinks marijuana is SO bad, they will vehemently fight against it even being legalized for supervised medical use. Take your pick.
Which is strange to me, but it reflects how society can control legislatures and laws using irrational and illogical judgements. Most of society doesn't care that they have to share the roads every day with people driving cars who are under the influence of alcohol. But the same people in the society would scream bloody murder if they had to legally share the roads with drivers under the influence of marijuana.
I'm not advocating marijuana be made legal. Just examining the irrational and illogical reasons some things happen and some things don't happen.
Zared Schwartz
Jeff Cable
The people I have seen after they have smoked dope, tend not to be very active. They appear to want to relax and listen to music while high on cannabis. Herein lies one of the principle objections to cannabis use... it apparently takes away the desire or the need to work and our developed societies would likely cease to function if everyone was lying around stoned after using a legalised form of the drug.
Some people subscribe to the view that cannabis is a gateway drug (to the use of injectable opiates) and the criminal conduct which must ensue if users are to get enough of the drug to support their addicted habit. My acid test for whether an act is generally acceptable is would I permit my newly teenaged son to engage in the same behaviour.
In the case of recreational drug use, I would emphatically say no! I acknowledge that being thirteen years of age is different to being an adult. My concern would be that my son would become distracted from his school work and potentially set himself on a pathway that is a poor lifestyle choice, the consequences of which might remain with him for life.
By the same yardstick, it is probable that some adults may make poor lifestyle choices because of the demotivating effect which appears to accompany regular cannabis use. Society would be the poorer because of the potential loss of a person who did work, to say nothing of people who may choose to drive while stoned.
On balance, while not wishing to remove the right of people to choose how they live, a stoned society is likely to result in harm for all.
Fritzie Reisner 100+