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Is Atheism just another cult, with their own dogma, like religious cults?
Is Atheism just another cult, like a religious cult, with people who believe there is no god, and in most cases also that what is presented by science is the absolute truth? Do people of an Agnostic persuasion believe, atheists have a blind faith in science, believing what they show, and measure is the last word about reality; believing that this Science supports their side of the debate while excluding the Religious view.
Those in the middle of the God/No God debate (Agnostics) have stated that such a claim is delusional and is indicative of cult mentality on par with religious cultism. It requires blind belief God does not exist which is dogmatic because there is no proof (currently) that is acceptably to the Agnostic crowd that God is or is not. Agnostics see the gaps in Scientific knowledge and try to keep an open mind pertaining to spiritual ideas and their connection to the real world. They have sometimes been accused of creating the Scientific idea of Creationism which has gathered steam in the last decade or so. Being in the middle, They are attacked by both sides of the debate, as will be demonstrated in this debate question.
Biting and Kicking is allowed by the Author and leaves it to TED to tell us where the limits lie.
Closing Statement from John Moonstroller
"Is Atheism just another cult, with their own dogma, like religious cults?"
“The word cult in current popular usage usually refers to a new religious movement or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre.[1] The word originally denoted a system of ritual practices. The word was first used in the early 17th century denoting homage paid to a divinity and derived from the French culte or Latin cultus, ‘worship’, from cult-, ‘inhabited, cultivated, worshipped,’ from the verb colere, 'care, cultivation'.” ~ Wikipedia
“Dogma is the official system of belief or doctrine held by a religion, or a particular group or organization” ~ Wikipedia.
Organizations of atheists ritually denounce the existence of God. They have become an organization, dedicated to the activity of removing all relic’s of Theism from public places. Their dogma is based entirely on their notion or belief that God does not exist. These organizations work tirelessly towards this effort.
It is no longer possible for an individual to simply state they are an atheist, by reason of personal belief, and not be affiliated, by membership or indirect alignment with these organizations.
These organizations have an official system of belief and their doctrine is to end the belief of theism on this planet.
They are exclusive, ritualistic, and have a belief system which generates activity within and beyond the boundaries of the organization. They are a Cult.
Not everyone agrees with this interpretation but the meaning of words evolve over time. To be an Atheist is to believe in a dogma and be a member of a club or organization. In the least, an individual is indirectly aligned with these clubs or organizations by belief or personal assertion they are an atheist.
John Moonstroller
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Ammar Bilajac
Something like: forced people to religion, or religion have bad values..
I'am a muslim and here forcing someone to religion is forbidden. I come from Bosnia & Herzegovina, here you have a Mosque 100m from her is a Church and 100m to the other way is a Sinagoge... and this is a muslim country... they always had they freedom to express any religion. For atheists they cant force them they only can convince them.
Are theses religion values bad:
- Say the truth, even if its bad for you
- Give charity,
- Love your neighbour like yourself
- dont neglect the poor
- help people as much as you are able to
- Give everyone his freedom and etc.
Sorry for bad spelling and grammar
John Moonstroller 20+
Thank you for your words.
They make people think. That is what words should do.
Obey No1kinobe 50+
Just a problem with some of the other values and dogmas in religion. Like anti gay or sexist or tribalist or violent. Also happy to peacefully point out all the religions can not be true. But support of religion within limits even though they all seem to be false in many regards.
Ammar Bilajac
Anti gay yes thats true, but just think about it is it natural to be gay?
Support religion within limits is probable regarding to "help people as much as you are able to". That means to take for yourself all what you need and then give the other people that need help the surplus.
I dont understand some parts:
Sexist---> like sex discrimination?
violent
tribalist--> probably means loyal to religion
So please explain what did you mean, and give me an example if you can
Gordon Barker 10+
A 1999 review by researcher Bruce Bagemihl shows that homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them
So it seems that being gay is hard wired into our brains regardless of our position in the tree of life. I think therefore, that it is wrong to punish someone for this behaviour without extraordinary evidence that it is wrong for some other reason than "I dont like it"
Being sexist in my definition means taking consideration of the persons sex in any treatment of the person. I.e. laws for men are the same as laws for women and vice versa. Women are not disallowed from taking some role based on the fact that they are women (where it is logical).
Violent speaks for itself. Religions should not approve/demand/direct violence agains anyone.
Tribalism refers to a strong connection to culture or ethnic group that excludes others. Its like being sexist or racist but usually worse.
Obey No1kinobe 50+
Seems to be natural for some to be gay
I don't think being attracted to the same sex is a lifestyle choice for most.
Even if it is, so what. It does no harm.
Sexist, like religious beliefs that treat women as chattel, or not equal and free the same as men etc. having to hide their bodies or faces, locked up at home. Having to obey men. The bible says if your new wife is not a virgin you should kill them in front of their father. That support polygamy one way - men with many wives, not the other way too.
Violent, any religious beliefs that order or inspire violence e.g. Signs that say behead those who insult prophets. Like the dozens of things in the old testament you are supposed to kill people for - adultery, homosexuality, working on the sabbath, adultery. Thinking your god gave your tribe some land etc. Forcing your taboos onto other people.
I think if you think you have the absolute truth from the creator of the universe, if you think god is telling you to live a certain way, if god supports your cause, that gods says what you are doing is right and others are wrong, it may make tribalism worse, depending on those beliefs.
Hope that is clearer.
chen xin
you know in chian we think god is shijiamoni.we belive in budu..while in the west you think yesu is your god .so who is really the god .so obviously what we say about god is meanless .
but i do agree that god .religion has its meaning of exts.they can make people live a better life . with god they can think that hurt is necessary .so they may not do things overstated or overfighting .
so at this point i think religion still has its meaning .
what is your opinion ..
John Moonstroller 20+
Obey, I flagged one of your posts by mistake..... Perhaps the moderator could undo that for me.
John.
Ammar Bilajac
The prophet Mohammed a.s. (I'am a muslim so i follow him) was born in Mecca where were atheist, polytheist people and some people that belived in one God, followers of Abraham. I will tell you how woman status where before and after Islam in this city. They where missused, no woman had right for inheritage, by the arabic tradition female child where burried when they wher born, alive...
when Islam came, first, bury of female child was forbidden, woman had right for inheritage etc..
. Man and woman are equal in front of God. He said that not me. About that hiding faces and that.... It is their FREE will to choose to wear that cover. For an example my sister wanted to go to madressa (islamic high school) insted of gymnasium (i went to gymnasium). When you want to go to madressa, female, have to put the cover over theiir head (not face), until they study there. At the same year my mother choosed to put the cover too, at her 40ies (i guess). My mother is not sitting at home locked.. She is a director of an IT company. That cover, and listening to their husband is and order from God. If they dont want to do that it is theri problem. He ordered us not to lie too but i lie somethimes too and that is my sin. The point is that you got it totally wrong about sex equality in religion. I could talk about this for long time.
About that in front of father killing... never heard for that, thats wrong..
There was punishment for adultery 80 hits with a whipe (if i am correct about that number).
About violence...
Kill someone working on sabbath?? Untrue... God gave us some Land ??? untrue, Forcing someone to religion is fordbidden. As you can see I'am from Bosnia, here you have three religions in one place. And this is a muslim country. Everyone have their right.