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Casey Christofaris

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Is our math wrong? Is it our assumption of zero, or absolute nothingness?

There are know phenomena out there such as the gamma ray burst that total destroys(use loosely your ego wants to argue this syntax error not the mind) our current math and physics(e=mc2). But instead of saying well maybe we got a key part of our math wrong we make it so the phenomena matches our math. This is my personal take on what I think might be wrong. I think it has to do with our assumption of zero. Seeing how you can never have absolute nothingness as a base or starting point. Conceptually the idea of zero is great. I want an apple. But i am in a complete void of apples. I don't have a single one. Not even applesauce! I have ZERO apples. But I do not need to know that you have zero apples to know when you have 1 apple. On the other had I do need to know that you have 1 apple to understand that now you have 2 apple. I could be wrong. It just something that bothers me.

Also I am not a math person it has always been something I struggled with in school those pesky numbers. However in College I excelled at Logic, but that has been some time ago.

I am not say this is the answer I just say that I think there is something fundamentally wrong with our math

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    Sep 24 2012: many contemplative traditions would disagree with your assertion (in regards to "seeing how you can never have absolute nothingness as a base or starting point.").many sages from the contemplative traditions as well as some of the existentialist philosophers would assert that nothingness is the starting point of all values...It is in the face of this nothingness that we become creators of life....


    then again we may be talking about apples and oranges here
    • Sep 24 2012: I think you just wanted to type something.
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      Sep 24 2012: Hello Orlando,

      Do you agree that all exist is energy? And that energy can not be created or destroyed? Also the simple act of pointing to nothing creates something. So if we could ever observe "nothing" simply us observing it would make it something. And sorry I am talking about math not traditions or religions.
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        Sep 25 2012: thanks for the clarifications, which is why I stated "we could be talking about apples and oranges"

        I do not agree that all that exist is energy being that I do know whats required for something or someone to exist. I think that everything that "is" has the potential to be destroyed (and if this is not the case, I'm happy to see the science that would change this point of view).

        Also, at least in some physics circles, what we call nothing, does not constitute as absolute nothingness. It is stated that some sub-atomic particles move so fast that by the time one can observe them, they are gone. It does not mean that nothing is there, it just means that it hasn't or wasnt able to be observed. So what you may be calling nothing may indeed be something....and I do like the paradox your pointed about when you stated "the simple act of pointing to nothing creates something"..I agree...


        If you really want an honest answer, I'd have to tell you that everything about our knowledge is wrong and forever changing... Not because we aren't intelligent beings but for the simple fact that there are just some things outside the scope of our knowledge (take DNA for example..about 98% of it is called junk DNA and many biologist are still stuck in a conundrum about it). This does not mean that we can't never know anything and there is nothing wrong with being curious. Also I don't mean to undermine the great achievements and cures and life changing technology due to our knowledge. I"m just stating a simple fact. I think its ok to not understand certain things because there can be value in the mystery.

        you mentioned "instead of saying well maybe we got a key part of our math wrong we make it so the phenomena matches our math"....my question is are you asking that we construe phenomena to where it makes logical sense or would this new logic found in math be based on what is known about the phenomena?
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          Sep 26 2012: "If you really want an honest answer, I'd have to tell you that everything about our knowledge is wrong and forever changing.." I agree 100% and I feel like science is trying to be that absolute truth and I am worried this might lead to the religion of science. As declared truth.

          New logic found, or at least re-tool what we got our math makes sense with the things we can see with our eyes, but out side of that not so much.

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