Jaime Lubin

TEDx Zapopan speaker,

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I see a lot of "job seekers" in TED community...is this a sign from the job apocalypsis?

The illusion of productive life has created a failure generation in a decadent culture. This phenomena is typical from an outdated social and political systems that resist their natural transformation and in final stages use the war issue. This status has been recurrent in the US political structures from their very foundation. Fear instead of responsability is the main current answer from this threatening country diguised with democracy masks. The world beyond nothamerican frontiers is very rich and different...then why we will change it?

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    Sep 18 2012: Are you saying Mexico is the future paradigm?
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      Sep 19 2012: Again...don't put your words in my text. Please read carefull.
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        Sep 19 2012: I'm quite good at understanding the intent and literal meaning of a post. Your intent appears to be esoteric for whatever reason. Care to be specific?
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          Sep 20 2012: I'm kind of retired now Jaime and I do both know and understand the issue here.

          From Breezing through your 562 posts, it's actually unclear why you have taken such a provocative and cryptic approach to demeaning the the nation of the United States.

          What I don't understand is with your potential to communicate, your ability to excise the real meaning of a message, your talent with creatively emoting your understanding of the issue, why are you presenting us with this picture of an unlearned sheep herder?

          Are you ok? Do you need help, a friend, a shoulder to cry on? You can do better than this. Where is the old Jaime Lubin I see in the posts I read?

          I know you don't like (some) people of the United States but why broadly sweep the whole population aside? Are there none of us you like anymore?
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        Sep 19 2012: Jaime Lubin, I just got through reading every post you have listed on TED. You appear to get you're cookies off by downgrading the US at every opportunity. I assume you don't like our great nation; is that correct?
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        Sep 19 2012: What's the deal with standing behind the TED sign? Is this some kind of mind trigger to subset the minds of those who see your avatar? Dos Equis to you my friend. :)
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          Sep 19 2012: John moonstroller, if you really were in intelligence field you know and understand the real issue here.
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        Sep 19 2012: Is that a box you're standing on behind the E in the TED sign? Makes you look taller somehow. It's a good look; you should keep it.
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    Sep 20 2012: Thanks, Fritzie, for the clarifications, very much appreciated :)

    I agree that the current political system is very outdated, especially with new technologies like internet and social media. There needs to be a more flexible, adaptable, faster, and more efficient system.

    I am also not one who is knowledgeable in the Mexican culture and the relationship between Mexico and the US and the whole American continents. However, what I do know is that many problems are evaluated by asking a series of questions:

    What is the problem at hand?
    What is causing the problem?
    What is the solution(s) to fix the problem?
    What do we gain from using this solution?
    What do we lose from using this solution?

    And the last two questions is exactly how someone or some group will decide what to do.

    And Jaime, I'm sorry that I don't know Spanish, that is a tragic fact that you and I cannot change at this particular moment in time for this conversation. I would learn Spanish as well as many other languages if I didn't have other priorities in my life unfortunately.

    And there should be a few things I want you to know about me. I think communication is one of the biggest root problems in the world. When I see bad communication, I like to point it out where the problems are that is causing miscommunications. I do this a lot on the Ted forums here. You may say that you are clear in your posts, but the fact that Fritzie, the "clear" one, had to end all his responses to you by questioning his own posts should tell people that something is wrong with the clarity of your posts. You can disagree all you want, but this is what I think.

    Other things you should know about me are that I can be very persistent if I when it comes to communication. I am also good at forgiveness, and I am good at recognizing the strengths and weaknesses of people. I can tell you what I think about myself, but ultimately, your opinion of me is for you to decide.
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      Sep 20 2012: Yes, James. Probably very few of us here are well acquainted with the economic institutions and policies of latin american countries that have strong, resilient economies.

      If we did have this knowledge, we could think about whether there are attributes that would be adaptive outside of those countries in the sense of working as well or better elsewhere in the world

      Alas, I would have to do some serious research even to begin to be capable of doing this analysis, unless some of our latin american participants can fill us in on the policies they believe are particularly promising.
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        Sep 20 2012: Yeah, hmm...

        How is education in Latin America?

        I do know a little about Hispanic-Americans. In a discussion a while ago with David Hamilton, we were looking at the statistics of test scores over the years. Hispanics consistently scored the lowest across the country. I also watched a movie called "Stand and Deliver" which was a movie based on the real life influential teacher, Jaime Escalante, who was trying to teach calculus to a ghetto school and try and get his students (primarily hispanics) into college: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094027/. We were discussing why hispanics were so low on the scores, and I think David said that it could be because of the way family works in a Hispanic family, like how the kid has to help out the family and go to work early and sometimes even drop out of school to help out.

        That is true because one of my friends in high school, who was one of the most ridiculous track and field guys I've seen had to drop out of high school to help out his family.

        But I don't know how much my knowledge on Hispanic-Americans can tell us about the other parts of America if at all.
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          Sep 20 2012: I don't think this material about Hispanic-Americans is very informative for this purpose.This says something about education and lives here rather than in Latin America.

          But here is something from USAID on literacy in Latin America. http://blog.usaid.gov/2012/09/ask-the-expert-literacy-in-latin-america/

          Latin American countries have had their share of problems related to unemployment, inflation, and great disparities in wealth within a country over the years and decades. Recently they have shown impressive economic growth, some of which has to do with the sale of natural resources such as oil and minerals. China is a big customer for Brazil, I think. I have read that there is some concern about whether for a variety of reasons recent growth in latin american countries is sustainable. One issue relates to the dependence on the Chinese market as a customer.

          I do not know whether these countries have the problem we do in the US of high demand in fields which few are trained for (like certain computer and engineering-related fields), a reduction in demand for what I think David would call traditional middle class jobs (in part because businesses in other countries can offer consumers the products more cheaply), and , I think, reasonable demand for the sort of local service jobs that are not highly skilled and that do not pay well. I think we have lots of what used to be called 'structural unemployment," when unemployed people have a lot of training for jobs the economy no longer needs in great quantities but either do not have the training for well-paying jobs with openings or can compete only for jobs that involve a substantial reduction in pay and that many people are competing for.

          I don't know whether the latin american countries have these same issues.
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          Sep 21 2012: One more piece of data may be useful. Using the gini index, the most common measure of income inequality, the inequality in incomes is higher in Brazil, Mexico, Peru, and Argentina than it is in the United States.
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          Sep 22 2012: To get a little bit of what's happening in Mexico about education try looking up a bit of 'Elba Esther Gordillo'. And a movie/documentary called 'De panzazo'.

          That's how public education works in Mexico. That's how education is managed in this country.
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        Sep 21 2012: Well I thought there could have been a correlation between Hispanic Americans and Latin America people because there are a lot of Hispanics who are immigrants from Latin America.
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    Sep 20 2012: I'm confident TED.com was created to discuss ideas and solutions. Most of us are quite aware of the problems plaguing us not just in the United States but all over the world. My solution is to become an employer . Create and duplicate. Learn and teach the next person to do the same. Be only an employee unto thyself. I will not allow you to work FOR me, however I will invite you to work WITH me.

    God Bless The World
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      Sep 24 2012: Thank Wade, I appreciate your notion ,,,let me tell you that I never been employee or "work" for any person or institution. I feel with this conversation that I touch the sunburn in some northamericans....but TED is wider than just one country...
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    Sep 19 2012: Is anyone going to say SOMETHING about the jobs, the OBVIOUS lack of economic structure to support people who need to work in order to survive or we're going to discuss how offended are people who doesn't speak english as first language in a continent full of different languages and dialects.

    Maybe this is not happening, Jaime Lubin is just a ghost and yes, i'm totally invisible.
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      Sep 19 2012: That depends, is that really all he was talking about?

      And it's not that he misuses the English language, it's more that 80% of the problem is that he was introducing some terms that were incredibly vague, and what he's referring to is unclear to many of us.

      Do you want to start a conversation talking about the wars on public schools, the moral enslavement of movies and games, and enlightenment of politics?
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    Sep 19 2012: I think everyone here means well, but we are having some problems understanding, and so people are getting frustrated and maybe even grouchy.

    Some of this is a matter of language being used differently by different people. Could we accept that people are really trying to understand what others are getting at but it isn't working yet?

    I am concerned that trying to guess is getting us farther from understanding rather than closer.

    Mr. Lubin, do you see a way of moving this conversation forward in a more productive direction than we have been able to achieve so far?
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      Sep 19 2012: Ok Mr. Reisner, theres a lot of intelligent ways to save the missunderstood about issues related here.

      If you propose a "more productive direction". I propose a more sensible direction....
      Then we have to see the real thing here: Jobs, Labour, Work, Employ, Economic failure, Decadent political status....

      The educational roots from our different american countries comes from a multiple causes. You have to see that just Canada and US are the only ones to have a economical history that is very different from our historical heritage. Then we (the latinamerican countries) experiment diverse effects in the economical structure today, than canadians and northamericans. Respectfully if TED is an intelligent community we have to expect a sort of sensible and intelligent proposals, question and answers to the topic here. My questions and arguments are sensible to the human condition in all America, but I can't avoid the critical thinking about our common problems. We share a lot of frontier line and today we have a lot in common: problems and also solutions. Certainly, we mexicans have a lot to claim to US but today and here we are "interpares" in human essence and our nations are unavoidable partners. I'm very trully confident to find a high and elevated level of correspondence with my clear and honest questions.
      PS: I'm the real one.
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        Sep 19 2012: You may deem your questions sensible and clear, but ultimately, that is for us, the receiving end, to decide that, because we are the ones who will be attempting to interpret what you're saying, not you.

        "Respectfully if TED is an intelligent community we have to expect a sort of sensible and intelligent proposals"

        I would say we are, and you are part of the community, and we want exactly what you want, more sensible and intelligent proposals. And I'm not saying you lack sensibility nor intelligence, I bet you're a very wise man, but please understand the confused's point of views. Would a layman really understand Shakespearean English?

        You're right, we have a lot in common and I bet we even share similar opinions on a bunch of matters, but it's hard for either of us to know for certain because one side or both sides are unclear about the other side.
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          Sep 20 2012: James, please see in my post below what the question is and idea on which Mr. Lubin hopes we will focus in this thread.

          But don't reply to me! Reply, if you can and choose to, to the main thread.
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        Sep 19 2012: Thank you for your response. I never doubted you were a real person.

        Here is how i understand your question now. Correct me if I misunderstand.

        You are saying that when we consider the Americas as a whole, Canada and the US have an economic structure and history that is different from that of all the other countries in the Americas. The Latin American countries are trying different strategies for recovering from recession (and job creation in particular) than the US is.

        You note that with the shared border and proximity of the US and Mexica, we are facing common problems and could consider common solutions. I don't know the word "interpares," but I am thinking you are saying our countries are interdependent.

        Chief among the problems on which you would like to focus here is the lack of employment for large numbers of people.

        You would like the TED community to consider approaches to this problem, considering not only strategies that the US now may be trying but also to consider the broader applicability of strategies Latin American countries are trying. Your observation is that the status quo is not working anymore.

        Do I now understand your meaning and focus?
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          Sep 19 2012: Yes you have the meaning and focus.
          Interpares is when some part of a whole are equal in condition.
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    Sep 19 2012: Jaime Lubin has all the characteristics of a bot.
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    Sep 19 2012: Methinks Jaime Lubin is not who he/she/it claims to be. Troll perhaps? Bot?
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      Sep 19 2012: If he is a troll, then he has definitely fooled me lol.

      I'm 99% sure he's not a troll.
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    Sep 19 2012: I think we're having a bit of language or culture interferences. Shall we start saying that America is a whole continent that starts at the very north of Canada and ends at the very bottom of Argentina and wide as the very big country in it. In this enormous amount of land inhabits a very different and rich variety of cultures, that not necessarily need to perform a job/work/labor the same way. First of all we have to define what a job/work/labour is. Then we have to define what that word means within each culture in this continent.

    Also we have to accept that the political system IS INDEED outdated, if not how come is there so many inconformity about the way we live, and so much ignorance about what can we do to improve it?

    Yes, we're at the edge of a job/work/labour crisis because a lot of young people with very fancy degrees doesn't know what to do for a living. And a lot of very experienced people doesn't want to be listened. And doesn't want to be payed or hired. The truth is that the value of many things is now forgotten, that the price is NOT the same as value.

    Responsability, as the etymology says, is the ability to respond to something, whatever it is. It has to do with living the present and do what has to be done. Fear is kind of the opposite, if we don't see and don't know what to do the obvious response is to go away or turn to somewhere else.
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    Sep 19 2012: Merge Canada,The States and Mexico to create a new player
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      Sep 19 2012: Ken thank you. This is not a topic merely in a language basis. Its about deep significance in the real job and economical status that hit in our young and brave people in both sides of the frontier in our countries. As you can see our contract partner from Uruguay learn not just the english but the meaning...in a shock fast track. So why here almost nobody understand nothing? Im very fluent in spanish, but not so much TED people are the same. Politely I use my best english to be understood, then why all the monolinguals don't dare to learn spanish?
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    Sep 19 2012: Okay, I will make one more guess at what you are meaning to convey here.

    Question: With all the job seekers on TED, can we conclude unemployment has reached crisis proportions?
    Elaboration:
    1. People have a skewed idea of what productivity is, because in modern culture we place too much value on the specific things we now tend to produce. This view of productivity wastes human potential.
    2. Modern culture is a function of social and political systems that really should be evolving into some other more viable form, but countries get side-tracked, perhaps purposely, by engaging in warfare.
    3. America threatens others in the name of democracy.
    4. As countries outside of North America have lots of merit just as they are, why would anyone want to change them?
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      Sep 19 2012: If these elaborations are what Jaime's trying to convey, then I want to say one thing on culture. How a culture should be is a subjective idea, but culture itself simply is an objective concept. It's just the result of many causes from different events and phenomena.
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        Sep 19 2012: James, please do not assume my guesses on this are correct!

        I will stand down from this thread now and leave it to Jaime to clarify and support his position so that people can respond meaningfully.
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          Sep 19 2012: Of course not, my response is only based on the condition that your guesses are correct, or else my response would have no real contribution to the topic of this thread.
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    Sep 19 2012: Jamie were you deported from the US as an illegal? You sound very bitter. I am not for sure what you are trying to say but I get the feeling that you are putting the US down in some form.

    I read the other posts and we are as one .... what the heck are you saying?

    You have been asked and still do not clairify.

    Bob.
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      Sep 19 2012: Robert Winner your question is so curious...so my deduction is that all of you maybe need to be deported from the whole world...

      why you dont ask if you all use the very same meaning and lenguage....and try to see beyond from your own limits and prejudices....so narrow visions from a decadent culture
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        Sep 19 2012: From my understanding, you're basically saying that you are the correct one, and everyone else is wrong. You deem everyone else clueless, but doesn't that at least raise the question of what is causing this confusion? Why should we be interested in your questions when you have expressed no interest to even address ours?

        I have not accused your ideas of being faulty, so why do you make it seem like my ideas are faulty?

        How can you judge me as blind when I have not even told you what I think about the subject matter?
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        Sep 19 2012: Hi Jamie, which drug cartel do you work for?
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    Sep 19 2012: There are some things that needs to be clarified...

    What kind of people are "job seekers" and how are they related to the people in the TED community.

    What is "job apocalypse"?

    What is "productive life" and the illusion of it? How is this generation of people a failure?

    What is the "natural transformation" of the outdated social and political systems?

    What is the "final stages" referring to?

    What is the "war issue" and how is it used?

    "The world beyond nothamerican frontiers is very rich and different." Is this referring to outside of US? And in what way are they rich and different?

    "then why we will change it?" Change what? Or do you mean the US trying to Americanize other countries?

    How does the entire post or the ending question relate to your Header question?
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      Sep 19 2012: James see the "big picture"...(as you said you can)...try your own answers.
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        Sep 19 2012: Before we can even engage in a "big picture" or even a "picture" at all, there are a bunch of concepts/terms/references that you threw at us that I don't even know. It's like trying to expect a student to know Calculus concepts when he's still only in Pre-Algebra. As far as I can see, the content of the entire post is ambiguous and unclear. So if what you're trying to communicate is not the content of your post but the form, then the "big picture" message you're conveying is ambiguity itself. But if you were purposefully ambiguous, why would you phrase things the way they are, what are you trying to accomplish, why not phrase them in a more "intuitive" way of expressing ambiguity?

        So was ambiguity the effect you were purposefully trying to achieve? Or was it on purpose that you phrased the words in the post in that certain way to achieve some desired effect?
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        Sep 19 2012: "try your own answers."

        My answer is 42, but I have not a clue what the question is I'm answering.

        Point is, how can I provide an answer without knowing what the query is? Do you want a "Google Surprise me" response or what? A "Google Surprise Me" response would refer to how Google will provide a search result even though there was no real user query.
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          Sep 19 2012: Its impossible to discuss with the blind.....
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        Sep 19 2012: I'm not blind, I'm misguided, and I was under the impression that you are trying to enlighten us Ted members with your wisdom, not trying to find the chosen one who can try and guess what exactly you're talking about.

        I am also a practitioner of good communication skills, and I believe that communication is a collaborative effort between the sender and the receiver. Saying that "it's impossible to discuss with the blind" is a lazy attitude, saying "how do I communicate with the blind" is the more passionate, hard-working attitude.

        I'm willing to listen and learn from you, but are you willing to listen and learn from me?
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          Sep 19 2012: I don't know if this is what Jaime wants as it is clearly a grammatical problem due to English is not the worlds first language though it is becoming the common business language,if i could speak fluent Spanish i think i could fully understand where he wants us to point our antenna's at,English cannot always describe another humans experience when seen through anothers language.Sorry Jaime if this sounds offensive,it is not a judgement on your ability or intelligence,most of the greater american continent only speak spanish where only two countries speak english.
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        Sep 19 2012: @Ken

        Maybe if there is a fluent Spanish speaker among one of us who is generous enough to act as the translator here, that would be most appreciated :).

        Or maybe, he should write in Spanish and we could try to Google Translate it and make out his message to the best of our abilities.
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          Sep 19 2012: Not necessarily so in Jaimes case as he can communicate in english from past postings,it's just hard for us who use the language as a primary to understand his style of english or interpret it,so many people here don't have english as a primary and have to suffer frustration when not being understood,it is a horrible language as my contract partner had to learn when he immigrated from Uruguay to nz,though he learnt American basic english,when he landed here he couldn't understand nz spoken english,it was a shock that he mastered very fast.
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        Sep 19 2012: Indeed, but it is also frustrating on the other side of this too. I don't know if you could tell whether I was frustrated or not, but it does strike a nerve when my efforts to communicate aren't recognized.

        The last thing I want to do is to say "I cannot discuss with the blind" because that's just not how I roll. I always try to be "How can I discuss with the 'blind'?" instead on less abnormally exhausting day of course lol.
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          Sep 19 2012: James, we understand you very clearly my friend. You don't have a problem.
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    Sep 19 2012: Could you clarify your question? Are you asking how America or Mexico should move out of recession?

    When you write that the world beyond the North American continent is rich and different, this is clearly true- that the world has a lot of interesting variation within it. But I am not clear on how this fact relates in your thinking to the questions you are posing.

    What do you mean by "the illusion of a productive life?" Are you saying that people have an outdated notion of what constitutes a productive life that then creates a sense of failure?
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      Sep 19 2012: Fritzie ...

      "the North American continent" as you said, don't exist. The real one is the American continent, and obviously there are more world than just one part.

      I'm not asking nothing about Mexico.

      Bravo¡¡¡¡...you see clear in your last paragraph. Then you can see more than the illusion of a productive life. If you go further you can discover the real significance of this conversation...so go, go, go.¡¡¡
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        Sep 19 2012: So then what would be a more "updated" notion of a productive life, if what we're all living by is an outdated idea? What is the outdated idea(s) of a productive life? Are you referring to the classical examples of materialism, greed, fame, etc.? What makes a productive life productive?
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        Sep 19 2012: Perhaps:

        1) That the American are a standard for the Northern Hemisphere and that each component part should be judged on its own merits.

        2) That the current generation has become the ME generation. They are materialistic, self centered, and over indulged.

        3) That the US diplomatic efforts are a sham and the US is reliant on it military power to maintain it position in world politic

        4) That without change in our political structure it will self destruct. This comes from the ability of the elected official to make rules as they go and disregard the needs of the people while voting themselves raises and perks.

        5) The natural transformation would be to recognize the changes necessary to reflect our culture and not the image.

        How am I doing?

        Bob.
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    Sep 19 2012: No... thats your words.....not mine....
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      Sep 19 2012: What are your words, you are ambiguous, with the apparent purpose of making the gringos wrong?