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Should we be allowed to control our lives in the most fundamental way; to choose between life and death? Should we sanction suicide?

The suicide rate is double the homicide rate in the US, and the #1 cause is untreated depression.

The current policy of prevention via societies most powerful corrective measures including arrest, loss of rights, physical restraint, isolation, humiliation and the like are part of the problem. The desire to be successful in ending your life forces you to do it in secret using whatever barbaric means at your disposal. It forces people to the fringe.

How much of the suffering of those affected could be prevented by not discovering the bloody corpse of a loved one in the bedroom with a gun in his hand and his brains splattered across half the room. How much suffering could be prevented if your suicidal loved one could talk to you without the fear of knowing you can quite easily prevent their desire with overwhelming force? How many suicides could be prevented if depressed people confided in their peers without having a badge of "mentally ill, sinful, weak, or selfish" pinned over their heart?

People are going to commit suicide regardless of legalities, prejudgemental stigmas, passion filled lamentations of loved ones or anything else you might thing will get them realize the err of their ways. Suicide is a tangible aspect to humanity both caused by suffering and the cause of suffering. If we as a people want to reduce damage it has to be done through acceptance, availability of the least traumatic method of termination, and counseling to not only determine(undermine) the conviction of the suicidal, but also to guide all parties to a mutual understanding or possibly peaceful resolution.

Provided that those desiring it would have to subject themselves to a period of intensive inpatient counselling and treatment, would a policy that universally offered euthanasia prevent more suicides than the current policy?

What other effects could this level of personal freedom have on people.

edit* Please remember that UNTREATED depression is the #1 cause of suicide,


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    Sep 14 2012: What i would like to know is why do some people want to take others with them?
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      Sep 15 2012: Are you asking about a single murder suicide, or more of a cult KoolAid mass suicide? Something else?
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        Sep 15 2012: It's a rare occurence but it happens every now and then,when a parent with little ones jumps off a building with them in each arm.sorry a bit off topic can't find the example i was looking for.

        EE,have you had a loved one suicide or lay dying in pain? when my mother first found out about her pancreatic cancer i asked her if she wanted an overdose,she was an Rn nurse,she knew what was coming in all it's stages and so did i,she refused, not because i asked but because she was scared which she freely admitted,i think in her own way she was going to fight starting with no la la land morphine which a lot of people lapse under when in the final stages,it's like watching a flower slowly bend and droop and lose it's petals.
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          Sep 16 2012: I think that a common reason that people don't have kids is because they see the world as evil and don't want to be responsible for exposing another soul to its torments. Perhaps some people develop this mentality as parents and in their minds they are showing the children mercy.

          No, I have not had that experience and from what I can feel from imagining it...I hope you're okay and I hope that your mother doesn't suffer unnecessarily.

          I must ask though, do you think her fear was of death itself or of some judgement thereafter.

          I wonder how many of those lapses in the final stages age are provided by a merciful nurse.
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        Sep 16 2012: I'll answer it this way,so it will be as close to the memory as possible.

        1. "I must ask though, do you think her fear was of death itself or of some judgement thereafter."

        Both i suppose though my parents weren't exactly true followers of the religion they were raised in.

        2. "I wonder how many of those lapses in the final stages are provided by a merciful nurse."

        I live in nz and at the time and still currently, it's against the law to help end anothers life,I do know that terminal patients have a tick on their forms which says "No resus" which basically means don't try to bring them back,it could be worse for the person,you could come back as a vegetable unable to communicate.The use of morphine in our hospitals is highly monitored,it has to be sighted and signed out,mils recorded,signed back in to it's storage,the patient usually asks for it towards the end if they chose no pain relief or the pain becomes too much to bear,some people try to go without their pain relief as morphine doesn't just clear the pain,it sends you into "La la land" pending on the dosage and for some people it's not exactly what they want their final days to be about,this was a few years ago,things could have changed,i once saw an uncles pain relief and was amazed at how
        much liquid morphine he was given to self medicate or the amount of morphine in pill form he had because of his cancer,i told him to sell it to his shady friends and go out with a bang on a boat cruise somewhere,that made him laugh.
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        Sep 16 2012: 3. "No, I have not had that experience and from what I can feel from imagining it...I hope you're okay and I hope that your mother doesn't suffer unnecessarily."

        I'm fine but thanks,it was a longtime ago,she lasted longer than what she was told,her final days taught me just how individual we are when we handle pain,she was one of the rare ones and the only person i've come across with such a high level of tolerance,during an eye examination due to her having diabetes as well and the cancer had brought it on in full force,she lost her eyesight,completely blind, also her eyelids had puffed up and closed over,she told me they were balls of fire,anyway the young intern had to pry her eyelids apart and knew there was no
        other way to spare her the pain to confirm total loss of sight and to give her closure or confirmation,she was a professional,we had talked about this happening months in advance,it was another stage to be ticked off,the only way i knew she was in severe pain was her index finger was vibrating but the rest of her was frozen in time,the doctor looked at me and shook his head and surprisingly, talked to my mother as if she was hard of hearing,young interns,they make me smile.Most people will flinch or shy away or involuntarily move,not her,i'll never forget it.

        If she had said yes to an overdose i would not have seen her true strength of will,she fought it to the end right up to the 2nd to last day before she asked for morphine.
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        Sep 16 2012: Some humans can take a lot of pain and can handle the slow shutting down of their bodies,it doesn't phase them at the sudden loss of something they took for granted,some can't due to the severity of what they have like MS sufferers though i don't have any experience with that condition.

        I sometimes ask myself if i hadn't asked her would she have asked me? Did my asking her galvanize her to fight? i'll never know but i'm proud that she did,it was her finest hour.

        So yes I'm for euthanasia but at the same time there's a part of me that is still


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