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ahmed  terboub

student researcher , Fondation Orient Occident

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why do not our calendars have dates for man ?

March 8: International Women's Day...
25 November: International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women...
5 May: World Day of the Midwife...
May 12: International Day of the nurse(female)...
mother's day (most commonly in March, April, or May)...
My question is where will we end racism and discrimination against man ?
is this fair ?


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      Mar 24 2011: Mark, I was talking to a man from Morocco.If you don't think women were oppressed I wonder if you would be willing to do the role that they did or if it would be beneath you? If you are working from a Disney idea of what women's lives were when they were property I could understand your misconceptions.You are not accurate in saying that women are on an equal playing field with men in reality. Women still earn less than men in developed countries and they are under represented in governments of almost every country. In fact, with an MA and an MBA and the highest earning area of my country under my responsibility- I am right now paid substantially less than a man who was hired 4 years after I was, with less education and a less profitable area under his control. Let's try Saudi Arabia. While there is no official flag waving that says its man's day let's review what women's lives are like. They cannot drive. They cannot leave home without a male chaperone. They normally do not have jobs. They do not determine who they marry. Many are not educated. My son and daughter-in-law worked there in an embassy for four years. She needed a letter of permission to leave home without him even though she had the same red passport. She could not drive. She could not travel without an escort. She could not shop alone. She could not be in a restaurant with her brother in law without her husband. I am not anti male but please do not tell me how good women have it.
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          Mar 25 2011: They might vote if they had the right but- they do not.
          Whose fault is it that women are unrepresented in the upper levels of most corporations and that companies like IBM are realizing that they are losing out on a huge advantage in not having a women's perspective there?
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        Mar 25 2011: KSA is just an example not a general rules and maybe why you did not list Morocco as example where women can drive. They leave home without a male chaperone. Theyhave jobs. They determine who they marry. most of them are educated. the worst is that women can have jobs and as we are men we don't or " it's harder for a man to find a job and to have a job than a woman can do(NB : même si les deux ont les mêmes qualifications, le même parcours académique et tout mais on arrivent pas à comprendre pourquoi les patrons nous éliminent toujours ...)
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          Mar 25 2011: Hello Ahmed, We are both expressing the frustration of being part of systems that define us by our bodies. It is demoralizing to be a human being and to have an institutionalized decision that works against us. While it is of little comfort to you right now, and I am not truly familiar with the inner workings of Morocco - your short lifetime is the only time in history when women have had rights and were not property. All the mothers and sisters of history lived the discriminated life that you are objecting to. Perhaps we can let these experiences of our own lives help us decide never to do the same to others - that is to judge them only by the gender of their body- as long as we have breath.J'espere que vous avez de bonne chance de trouver d'employment.

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