ahmed terboub

student researcher , Fondation Orient Occident

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why do not our calendars have dates for man ?

March 8: International Women's Day...
25 November: International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women...
5 May: World Day of the Midwife...
May 12: International Day of the nurse(female)...
mother's day (most commonly in March, April, or May)...
My question is where will we end racism and discrimination against man ?
is this fair ?

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    Mar 21 2011: Ahmed,

    I too taught few days ago and had a small discussion with my friends here.

    We don't have specific Man's day as world was ruled by men, all the time.
    At once these men felt to bring women in this developing world and world women day is celebrated
    to encourage and salute women's contribution to society.

    recently many other days are celebrated, as just to remind our people about the problems faced by women and thus changing people's mind towards them and respect them equally.
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      Mar 21 2011: i really liked what you said but i hope women respect us as we do
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    Apr 5 2011: i want a Celebration Free Day. a day that is dedicated to not celebrating anything on that day. i understand that it is kinda self defeating, though.
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      Mar 24 2011: Mark, I was talking to a man from Morocco.If you don't think women were oppressed I wonder if you would be willing to do the role that they did or if it would be beneath you? If you are working from a Disney idea of what women's lives were when they were property I could understand your misconceptions.You are not accurate in saying that women are on an equal playing field with men in reality. Women still earn less than men in developed countries and they are under represented in governments of almost every country. In fact, with an MA and an MBA and the highest earning area of my country under my responsibility- I am right now paid substantially less than a man who was hired 4 years after I was, with less education and a less profitable area under his control. Let's try Saudi Arabia. While there is no official flag waving that says its man's day let's review what women's lives are like. They cannot drive. They cannot leave home without a male chaperone. They normally do not have jobs. They do not determine who they marry. Many are not educated. My son and daughter-in-law worked there in an embassy for four years. She needed a letter of permission to leave home without him even though she had the same red passport. She could not drive. She could not travel without an escort. She could not shop alone. She could not be in a restaurant with her brother in law without her husband. I am not anti male but please do not tell me how good women have it.
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          Mar 25 2011: They might vote if they had the right but- they do not.
          Whose fault is it that women are unrepresented in the upper levels of most corporations and that companies like IBM are realizing that they are losing out on a huge advantage in not having a women's perspective there?
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        Mar 25 2011: KSA is just an example not a general rules and maybe why you did not list Morocco as example where women can drive. They leave home without a male chaperone. Theyhave jobs. They determine who they marry. most of them are educated. the worst is that women can have jobs and as we are men we don't or " it's harder for a man to find a job and to have a job than a woman can do(NB : même si les deux ont les mêmes qualifications, le même parcours académique et tout mais on arrivent pas à comprendre pourquoi les patrons nous éliminent toujours ...)
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          Mar 25 2011: Hello Ahmed, We are both expressing the frustration of being part of systems that define us by our bodies. It is demoralizing to be a human being and to have an institutionalized decision that works against us. While it is of little comfort to you right now, and I am not truly familiar with the inner workings of Morocco - your short lifetime is the only time in history when women have had rights and were not property. All the mothers and sisters of history lived the discriminated life that you are objecting to. Perhaps we can let these experiences of our own lives help us decide never to do the same to others - that is to judge them only by the gender of their body- as long as we have breath.J'espere que vous avez de bonne chance de trouver d'employment.
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    Mar 24 2011: Hi Ahmed,In many countries everyday is man's day. You speak of respect and of admiration of men when in the whole history of humanity women have only been able to become full persons in the last 100 years and only in some countries. Even though we have proven our dedication and intelligence.As a mother of 4 sons and one daughter- i love them all and want them all to have fulfilled and successful lives.I do not want my daughter's life to be defined by a few days a year.Would you say that women have equal rights in Morocco?
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      Mar 24 2011: I can easly answer your question Debra because i sometimes feel ashame to sau i am a man and women where i am living have more than equal rights and as i am living in an undeveloped country i respresnt men living there and i say with an up voice "IT'S NOT FAIR THAT YOU MAY HAVE DATES TROUGH THE YEAR AND WE DO NOT EVEN HAVE ONE DAY THAT CELEBRATE MAN"
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        Mar 24 2011: I have no desire to upset you as your use of ALL CAPITALS suggests that I have. Other posts have indicated that other countries have days dedicated to fathers and other men. You rejected those examples because they were not universal. Most of these celebrations started locally and expanded. If you are thrilled with being a man and feel that you wish to celebrate it do not wait for others to do what you are finding is so urgent. Start with Morocco and then propose it to the UN. I did some reading about women's rights in Morocco and it appears that there has been some great progress in the past few years. I hope that the progress will continue for all of your people.Insha'Allah or God willing.
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    Mar 21 2011: Ahmed,

    there is a Men's World Day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_World_Day
    And we also celebrate Father's Day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father%27s_Day
    Nurses can also be male and I can't find a hint where they say it's only for female nurses.... etc.

    I am not a friend of these special days. I don't know if they're really helpful. But I certainly think that, if that's the only area where men are discriminated, you can be lucky to be a man. The reason why these international days for men are not so well known is - maybe - because men just don't need them as much as women do?
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      Mar 21 2011: Men's World Day is dated 2000 and it's not a world day because it is not celebrated all over the world and so as the father's day
    • Apr 5 2011: Hi Katja,

      Thank you for your information about Men's World Day. I didn't know that Men's World Day existed, and now I'm glad that I've read all about it on Wikipedia.

      The role of Men's World Day is to criticize males:
      "...understanding that "the testosterone influenced brain of men" is the main reason for men's violent nature"
      "...that Men's World Day not be conceived as a day to celebrate men but rather a day of introspection and self-criticism."

      A remainder that being a male, we are evil.

      This is essentially what it means to be male. Be strong. Don't show emotion. Any emotion you show will be either dismissed or ridiculed. Carry the world. You are the problem. It's your fault your mother doesn't make more money. It's your fault that your wife is stressed out. You don't work hard enough. All you ever do is work. You are the reason everything is wrong in the world. Don't complain about it! You are lucky!! You are a male. You are lucky, we are going to criticize you for it and every turn, and you can't do a damn thing about it because you are a MALE, and you just have to take it.

      Women around me make plenty more money than I do. I see women getting promoted in front of me because they are women. I see women getting preferential treatment in stores, restaurants, government agencies. I get absolutely zero sympathy; because I'm a male.

      I pay more than my female counterparts on a date. I buy things for her when we go shopping. I spend more money on rent. I've actually been told that "this is my duty" as a male - to pay more.

      "Men get a higher salary." --> "Men pay more taxes and pay more for living expenses."
      "Men move up in a company faster." --> "Men have to shoulder more responsibility." (ie more stress)
      "Men are allowed to pursue their careers while women stay at home" --> "Men don't get to see their children growing up."

      It's hard being a female. It's also hard being a male.