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What can a shirtless dancing man teach us about movement thinking? How does movement thinking challenge everything about Christian culture?

2,000 years ago Jesus walked with a few to effect the many; today it is estimated there are 2.1 billion people around the world calling themselves Christians. In 3 minutes we learn the basic elements of a movement. Is it possible to apply these principals in order to create a simple, self-replicating, movement of the Gospel today?

Sivers suggests the first follower is actually the one who shows everyone else how to follow. The leader facilitates the leadership of his first follower, without this, the leader is just a lone nut. What is the difference between leading and facilitating leadership in others? How does today's Christian culture violate this principal?

Sivers mentions "what he (the leader) is doing is so easy to follow" as a key component in getting this movement started. It was simple enough to become easily replicated. In what ways has our understanding and presentation of the Gospel become complicated, making it difficult to replicate?

We see the first follower calling for his friends to join the movement. The leader empowered his first follower to reach his friends. In what ways does our Christian culture alienate first adopters from their sphere of influence?

Sivers says in creating a movment, "it's important not just to show the leader but the follower because new followers emulate the followers not the leader" In a movement model, the leadership of every follower is just as vital as the leaders. In what ways does our expert driven Christian culture violate this principal?

Sivers says "if you really care about starting a movement, have the courage to follow and show others how to follow" What does this and other leadership principals presented in this video teach us about building leadership away from ourselves instead of towards ourselves?

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    Gail .

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    Sep 5 2012: You asked. Christianity has become too contradictory. Jesus says 1 thing and it does another.

    Jesus said, judge not. Christianity says – Judge! Be fruit pickers.

    Jesus said "fear not evil". Christianity says - fear evil.

    Jesus said “resist not evil”. Christianity says: resist it.

    Jesus said that the kingdom of heaven is WITHIN YOU – NOW. Christianity says it's OUTSIDE of you; it’s where CHRISTIANS go AFTER they die.

    Jesus said do NOT pray in public – including in churches. Christians pray in churches AND in public.

    Jesus said to follow him, you must give up all that you own and trust that you will be taken care of. Christians don’t dare do this. They have faith in $ not God

    Jesus said that the most spiritually bankrupt are (also) of the kingdom of heaven. Christianity says they're of the kingdom of Satan.

    Jesus said to love your enemies and do good to those who do not love you. Christianity says to correct them, chastise them, or even go to war against them when leaders whom God has placed over you tell you to.

    Jesus said to give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and give unto God that which is God’s. Christianity says:Give unto God that which is Caesar’s (money & fear) & give unto Caesar that which is god’s (your allegiance).

    Jesus said to swear no oaths. Christianity swears oaths – whether as a Pledge of Allegiance or the oath of office/witnesses/jury duty, etc.

    Jesus said to love yourself, for as you love yourself, even the least of those among you, you love god (thus redefining God because We are god). Christianity says to honor authorities & hold self above the least.

    Jesus said you are powerful creatures – gods in your own right. What you ask for WILL be given. Christianity says you are powerless.

    Jesus told how to use your innate power for your protection and well-being. Christianity says that those do are evil.

    Jesus said that YOU are the light of the world. Christianity says that Jesus is.

    This is the SHORT list. (only 2k characters)
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    Sep 5 2012: It is better to read the Bible to know about Jesus; and not to depend on hearsay and comments of ignorant people.
    Only scriptures can be used to interprete scriptures; just like one can not take page 20 of an Harry Potter book and think he or she has got the story.
    In understanding a certain scripture, context, audiences,related prophecies/promises of God and circumstances has to be considered.
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    Sep 6 2012: Shea, you would never had the thought you have as you studied a little about the way Christianity as we know it was spread among the peoples. The figure called Jesus, whether he lived or not, had little to do with it.

    Constantine the Great and Charles the Great forced it on to the different peoples of Europe to create their empires. Also they modified the content of the faith to suit their political goals.

    The events were complex and divers as it gradually changed from a faith of the poor and powerless into a strategy that empowered the rich and strong of those times.

    The reformations tried to restore the original faith for what they thought of it but over again it was captured by the powerful to support their authorities. The same happened with Christianity in the East in what is called Greek orthodox. If you want to find some Christian practice that was undisturbed from the start you must look maybe with the Copts in Egypt or the community in Ethiopia.