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Will Automation Lead to Economic Collapse?

Most of the agriculture and industrial jobs are already phased out by machines. Over 70% of jobs and labor is currently to find in the service sector, but also this sector is being phased out and replaced by automation which means decreased purchasing power of the general public. Just take a look at this: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/08/20/Will-Robots-Cause-Mass-Unemployment-in-China.aspx#page1

Let's make an example as well. What exactly happens when people get automated by machines? They loose their jobs and need welfare to support themselves until they get a new job, if they ever do. But, where does welfare come from? It comes from tax payers. And do people on welfare pay taxes? They don't. So, what happens when everybody is on welfare due to automation and nobody pays taxes? This example is the reality in Michigan and the government there have been on the brink of shutting down due this exact issue. And we are beginning to see this never-ending spiral go out of control in the rest of the world. The trends are definitely there, but where's the solutions?

Is an economic collapse, in fact, an imminent event and a mathematical certainty, looking at the trends in Michigan and China? And is there a way out of this, looking at it in an economical perspective?

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    Sep 1 2012: NO, look at how farming once the vast majority of employment is now way less than 5%, Manufacturing is similar. The jobs just go to other areas.

    This video speaks to this subject:

    http://www.ted.com/talks/peter_diamandis_abundance_is_our_future.html
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      Sep 9 2012: Farming was automated and former farmers became factory workers. Factories automated (and outsourced). Former factory workers became medical billing clerks which automated and former medical billing clerks became landscape maintenance workers. Landscape maintenance was automated and former landscape workers became pool cleaning service owners. Pool cleaning was automated and former pool cleaners became general laborers. General labor was automated and former laborers became organic farmers. Organic farming was automated and. . . .
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        Sep 9 2012: Not really, you wax pejorative. The reality if you look at the specialization of jobs that have been created over the last 100 years is more opportunity and more productivity and a higher standard of living although maybe a sedentary life style becomes the bigger danger?
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          Sep 9 2012: The disparaging tenor of my words is fitting for the subject; which I understand to be the effect of continuing automation on the economy. My hypothesis is that automation carried to its ultimate application (no human contribution necessary) will cause the collapse of the economy. The past hundred years cannot be the continuing model for displaced workers. Sooner, or later if EVERYTHING is automated people will have no means of purchasing.
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        Sep 9 2012: The evidence indicates the opposite.

        Why I could even envision where a feller could make his living and retire by doing nothing more than making engineering drawings for other fellers? Of course Auto Cad or Solid Works with FEA could put him out of business? Wait a minute that did not occur.

        Of course there will be causalities buggy whip manufacturers and the like. The prognosticators say that most people will not have just one career. Should we do away with Google to keep the librarians gainfully employed should we start a local chapter of the Luddites?

        My grandfather will tell the story of how fellers would come out to his fathers ranch and dig a water well with a drill instead of shovels, he said that is what I'm going to do for a living. If Star Trek is any indication everyone on the show seemed to be busy.

        In fact I would go so far as to say to do otherwise violates mankind's prime directive.

        P.S. This video indicates the senior datum for a successful life in the future and the past.

        http://www.ted.com/talks/matt_ridley_when_ideas_have_sex.html
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          Sep 10 2012: Displacement and retraining can only go on for so long. As automation replaces more people eventually when 100% automation is reached there wil be no non-automated jobs for people to be retrained for. I repeat, "The past hundred years cannot be the continuing model for displaced workers". The question is: will automation cause economic collapse. I say once all humans are outplaced the answer will be YES.
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        Sep 10 2012: Why was the gross product of the world in 1900 1 trillion and today is 70 trillion? The automation has never been as high as it is now while the employment has never been higher.

        The last 100 years is the indicator of the future. Perhaps what you are missing is the specialized jobs that will have to be performed.
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          Sep 10 2012: Compensation of Employees (COE) is a major component in the GDP. With 100% automation the COE will be zero. End of economy.
        • Sep 17 2012: "Why was the gross product of the world in 1900 1 trillion and today is 70 trillion? The automation has never been as high as it is now while the employment has never been higher."

          Employment was higher 100 years ago: people worked more hours, kids worked, less people spent many years at school, less people were pensioners. Also, are you sure that $1 trillion GDP in 1900 figure accounts for inflation? The world's population is four times as high as it was in 1900.

          The truth is that automation has destroyed job opportunities but that's ok: I don't particularly fancy leaving school at age 12 to work 60 hours a week until the day I die.
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        Sep 10 2012: Ain't gunna happen, I will agree to disagree.
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          Sep 10 2012: I agree 100% automation is not going to happen, but that is not what the question is asking. The question asks would the economy collapse IF automation continues to grow?
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        Sep 10 2012: As I'm sure you know I meant the COE is not going to go to zero. And the answer to the O.P. is NO.
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          Sep 11 2012: No Pat, I was not sure you meant the COE because you did not say you meant the COE. You said QUOTE: "Ain't gunna happen," I assumed 100% automation was your subject. What exactly do you think the O.P. is asking? Maybe I am on the wrong page.
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        Sep 11 2012: He is asking if there is a correlation between automation and jobs. And what it will do to the economy.

        Once again as indicated by the World GDP 100 years ago being 1 trillion today it is 70 trillion and easily 70 times the automation of 1900

        No the jobs will not go away.

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