Levi LCL

Director-General , The Universal Party


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Global youth unemployment is off the charts all around the world. Will the international community continue to ignore their plight? WARNING.

Unemployment is a volital issue, it always has been and it always will be. Primarily because it dictates an individuals role in society. When you grow up you hear endless requests from your family, friends, teachers, and peers about what job you want, so you pick one, and learn to indentify with it. Most if not all youth by the time they graduate from Highschool or University have expectations to get a job to eat and if possible fulfill their ambitions, this however is becoming increasingly impossible for student the world over.

Youth unemployment is expected to raise to 12.7 percent and stay there until 2016 according to the International Labor Organization (ILO). This is so bad that many World Bank and IMF leaders and managers have warned of a "Lost Generation" globally. In countries like Greece, Spain, Egypt and most of the Middle East, youth unemployment is near 50 percent or higher. My question is, do you think the world community will take the measures necessary to help this 'Lost Generation', or will they let time pass, and simply replace them with a younger eager generation willing to work for less, effectively strangling the generation for life.

If so there is the strong possibility of a large, global social and political backlash that may change the fabric of our modern society. For the best?

  • Sep 3 2012: Here is a well explained interview worth listening to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RDihFrV_Os
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      Sep 3 2012: The Zeitgeist Movement, are you proposing this as a solution to global unemployment? To throw out the existing system. There are many systemic and severe problems but if anything can be learned from previous attempts to throw out any system, that those who replace it perpetuate the same problems. People who support revolutions are generally blind to history, most recently communism of course.

      In my opinion the best method of overhall is one based on the actual needs of society and not a predesigned dogma that often clashes with the real demands of people worldwide. When you disagree with something you don't need to annihlate it, this knee jerk reaction often leads only to violence, compromise is the best way to navigate things between large groups of people - so long as it yeilds fast equitable results. A social economy might be a good idea, inwhich on a grand scale the general public and policy makers commit to confronting head on the flaws of the current economic system, by public acknowledgement of its flaws, open forums on its solution, and the immediate implementation of a solution. Most people know whats wrong, and have a good idea how to fix it, but it is a taboo subject inwhich anyone trying to make a difference quickly becomes a 'revolutionary' which in many places is a dangerous political label that gets you into trouble. Not everyonee can afford the free political speech afforded to the founders of the Zeitgeist movement, thus a tactful but honest approach may be best.

      Russia Today is a direct line to the Kremlin, basically anyone criticising the west can get on there. It's not all bad and can be used to see how some people see the west, but its about as useful to social or political analysis as People Magazine or other gossip features. Even RT used the Zeitgeist Movement as a puff piece to show the psychology that was perhaps behind the new Occupy Wallstreet movement at the time. An informed and non-western news source is Al-Jazeera which reports fair
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        Sep 3 2012: Yes, it is plain that any change should be evolutionary. But having some reference to break out of the box is hgelpful - to know that there *an* be an outside-the-box - specially when the box appears to be sinking.
        The one very nice bit of cogent information in the Zietgeist interview is the reference to incentives - there are a couple of talks on TED about that very thing. I do note that Zietgeist have appropriated that after the fact.
        THe problem I have with Zietgeist style utopia is the same problem I have with techno-churchmen such as this guy:
        And people who kid themselves that there is an open market.

        One interesting conjecture is that as the systems of human civillisation press harder and harder for efficiency and conformity, everyone will find themselves being incrementally criminalized - such that nothing legal can be done that is not at the behest of the system.
        At that point we are all criminals - then the fun can really begin.
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          Sep 3 2012: Yeah Mitch evolutionary change seems to be the best, then you allude to a revolution at the end which is confusing. It is defintly good to have an alternative to 'the system' or 'the box' out there, however I find polarized conspiracy theories arent the best method. Usually with a leader eager to vault themselves to Presidential status within whatever framework they may wish to create.

          I think its important to make a distincition between politics and economy. Economy is more powerful and consistent, mainly because we have hundreds of goverments and Presidents and Prime Ministers and only one global economy. I find it unlikely the worlds economy will bend to any authoritarian rule in the future, as tyranny is toxic to the economy in the long run. Countries which suppress human rights or the well-being of their citizens for several decades experience growth then collapse unless modernized. Korea and Japan are proof of this, both succeeded and modernized from reletively recently feudal cultures. I really doubt the emperor of Japan makes economic decisions, this is the fate of all strict political leaders, as citizens realize the less power their leaders have the more money they have. Political leadership has been taking a dive to the economy for generations, and countries with strong political leadership (North Korea, Zimbabwe) fail. China is not an exception, by Chinese standards their leadership has greatly softened itself to allow for market growth (and are 100 percent aware of this issue publicly).

          Tyranny within economic models such as corporations and businesses are a whole another game. Which requires likely the same solution, people realizing the economic and personal gain from limiting their leaders to just obligations, in essence leaders in both economics and politics must become moderate and sustainable. History has shown people can and will live under incredibly unjust systems, but time, heals all wounds. Principally because the realization is inevitable
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        Sep 3 2012: AH yes - sorry for the unbridged jump. But there are tipping points.
        Evolution may be too slow.
        I try to hasten evolution by throwing alternative models around.
        One of the suggestions I make is that each person should sit down and do a serious attempt at designing a currency and the rules of its operation (an economy).
        I have done several of these. It does not matter how egalatarian or drakonian I make the ruleset, one factor remains the same - the issuer of currency holds absolute power of life and death over all who use it. It would take an extaordinarily saintly human to not be corrupted by that.
        People point and shout "Illuminati!" at the money-changers, but I point at them and say "Participant!"
        Illuminatii is a concept in a Tom Hanks movie. I am appalled at how it took off and became a credible concept in the minds of otherwise rational humans!
        I am sure there are conspiracies, but the Illuminatii is not one of them - what we see is just the inevitable outcome of money - corrupt bankers.
        This analysis (from another thread) puts it all nicely in context:

        The faultline in the concept of "Jobs" only becomes clear when one has been an employer, and then, later discovered true "work".
        Those who are now "unemployed" must be encouraged to find their work - there will never again be any "jobs" for them. THe "Technocratii" have seen to that ;).
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          Sep 4 2012: I do a similar practice, except I have people sit down and try and write up models for global governance, i find it makes they're world-view more informed as well.

          There are many people who resort only to criticism and have no insight to offer, it is humorous to consider that many newspaper editors consider writing criticism the easiest of assignments, yet the general public seems to think its such a massive talent.

          So I appreciate creative views.
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        Sep 4 2012: It seems reasonable that now we have global saturation of connected humans that a global jurisdiction would be necassary. however the nacent global unity represented by the UN was comprehensively scuttled by the US and England via the gulph maneovre. With the UN set back 50 years, there arises the vacuum of a judiciary in the internet. This was a blunder on the part of the control-and-command brigade and has allowed the beginnings of a new global community independent of national borders.
        I would advise the young unemployed to pirate the heck out of IP - IP is the device by which the avenues of new work by individuals is stiffled and it is vulnerable right now.
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    Sep 1 2012: In America-
    The only way to correct our failing economy is to vote in a new " Leader " who is experienced and understands how to discard waste and promote an innovative Business environment which will help improve our housing and other markets also. A Leader who understands Banks and how government should and should not work with Banks.

    I've been an Independent voter since I was 18 . I vote for the right person, not a party. I always felt belonging to a political party was like belonging to a union - I never liked paying dues to a group that was not obligated to have an open-book accounting of how they spent my dues.

    I know that no Leader will ever be perfect - but they need the skills, passion and right attitude to tackle the job.

    Our current Leader practices the strategy of 'sitting on the fence' - waiting to see which way the political wind blows - then he will give an opinion - rarely a decision = That is not a Leader. Before he became President his political work was focused on giving money away -t hat' was his expertise, he did it very well, and that is exactly what he has done the last 3.5 years as President.

    The USA is doomed to follow Europe's economic failure if we do not make a change this year. Our younger generation must organize and vote for the person of their choice - it's their future. Our youth also needs to report voter fraud - it will be rampant this year. By the way, our current President's administration is suing several USA States that have Voter ID laws. The current President feels this is discrimination against non-citizens = where's the logic? someone please tell me?!
    • Sep 1 2012: IMO, The notion that the President has the power to change the economy in any significant way is a fraud (lie, falsehood) knowingly perpetuated by both of our major parties.
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        Sep 2 2012: In the case of the American economy the power bestowed or de facto held by the President have no means of effecting the economy. It's just easier to blame one man or one administration than a bunch of Senators and Representatives who actually hold the purse strings and the ability to make economic policies that effect businesses.

        In other countries such as North Korea or many African nations this may be more accurate assumption as heads of state have disproportional affect on all government proceedings.
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          Sep 2 2012: I agree Levi - each party does this in every administration to some degree .... but this administration has not cut spending at all. it has greatly increased it by going around Congress in many instances, to increase spending by using Presidential executive orders. - . This administration has most of the media stations ' in their pocket ' so it's hard to find out real facts of what's going on - I find out a lot on BBC's different programs and Russian TV's different programs and flipping on all American new channel - at different times of the day and night.
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        Sep 3 2012: I agree Barry -
        ... we /the voters / hire and fire the people/politicians with our votes.

        We pay for bridges, roads, transit,
        then we pay to use them,
        then we pay taxes and higher toll fees to fix them up ,
        and we pay high salaries for people to run them...
        .why do bridges and mass transportation cost BILLIONS ? ??

        ...did you know that the current administration is planning to make it mandatory for small businesses to auto-deposit employees checks, charge the employee a tax to take their money out of their bank because of auto-deposit, and make the employer pay a auto-deposit tax ...? ! ..things have to change....
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          Sep 3 2012: Hi Anne,
          I'm not aware of any pending legislation regarding your last statement. Could you provide that information? It feels like you are on the campaign trail here.

          The topic is:"Global youth unemployment is off the charts all around the world. Will the international community continue to ignore their plight""

          AND...the facilitator has already tried to keep the conversation on topic by stating:
          "I dont really want to discuss american politics in this thread, its about Global unemployment"
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        Sep 3 2012: Thanks Colleen for reaffirming the point of this thread, always welcome! I'd love to hear more of your views on the problem as well.

        Ms. Thull I might not recommend watching RT as I mentioned before there have been many, many, reports basically stating that most of its information is fabricated and sensationalist. They're basically the FOX of Russia, except with less facts, and have a strong Kermlin bias. It is good to get another perspective but I wouldn't use its reports as a basis for an argument. I thought I'd mention this as some foreigners think it has a higher brand of reporting because its well funded and can be at times convincing. Their unemployment statistics are way off as well.

        I suggest a mixture of BBC and Al Jazeera as american new outlets although they tend to follow facts much more tend to lie by omission, and often simply don't present any view contrary to american public opinion, which too is unhealthy. This is true especially regarding government statistics on unemployment or labor issues which american media simply never acklnologes, like the labor movement of over 200,000 people at the DC mall regarding unemployment and jobs (One nation Rally 2010), that wasn't mentioned in any mainstream media within the country despite being a few weeks after Glenn Beck's "Rally to restore Honor" (less people), is an example.

        The american government has been largely dysfunctional since President Obama has come into power, they have passed virtually no new laws, reforms, or budgets (beyond basic survival mode), and have effectively been on vacation before they even heard the Presidents plans. I'm guessing because that's what the companies and thus the highly effective lobbyists groups funding them requested. The American senate has done little to nothing for its own unemployed, and is perhaps reflective of the need of many world governments to overcome their personal egos and get out there and make laws which support economic recovery, not inhibit it.
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          Sep 3 2012: Hi Levi....thanks for the invitation!

          It seems popular to blame the government for everything, and we need to remember that we ARE the governments that we elect. Obama was overwhelmingly elected because people wanted a change, and yet, those same people who elected him ALSO elected representatives who have proven that they cannot work together, so we continued with "party politics" rather than working together toward change. Obama inherited a MESS...the challenges he has been facing were NOT caused by his administration and did not happen over night. Neither will the issues be resolved overnight, or even in one term. To put people in office who have the same mindset as those who created the problems seems silly to me, but I'm only one person who votes.

          The "Global youth unemployment" issue, like many of our global challenges, is not going to be resolved simply by government action. Although it's possible that gov. action can help facilitate change, it needs to be addressed from many different angles.

          One of my questions, based on what I observe locally, is...do young people really WANT employment? I live in a farming community, and farmers here are bringing people from Mexico to work on the farms. The produce growers have been hiring Jamaicans for years, who come here to harvest produce, because young people in the area do not want that kind of job. I do a lot of volunteer work, and could usually get a job in any of the organizations I've worked with because I'm told I am dependable and responsible, whereas, many of the younger people who are hired do not seem to really care about the jobs.

          My point, is that it takes effort by the government, businesses, AND those who are genuinely seeking employment. All of the young people I know, who want to work are employed. Older people who want to work are employed. With the economy the way it is, We're seeing lots of retirees working in jobs they probably would not otherwise take. It takes a joint effort and interest.
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    Sep 4 2012: what measures?
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    Sep 4 2012: I live in Newcastle Australia. There is great concern about youth unemployment here as well and yet every fast food store I walk past has a help wanted sign in the window. Go figure?
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      Sep 4 2012: Yeah I'm not sure that's indicative of the global economy, or even your city - I don't think there's widespread unemployment because people don't want 'dirty jobs', are lazy, or think they're to good for them.

      Aren't those summer jobs, and school has just begun? Dunno, causation is not correlation and such.
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        Sep 5 2012: It's always summer here! And school began in February.
        Seriously though there has been a big push in education in Australia to get more kids to go to university or college etc. unfortunately they all get the impression that simple service jobs aren't worthy of their attention even though some one needs to do them. We are actually importing unskilled labor from asia to make up the shortfall in some industries.
        BTW I'm a highschool teacher so I see it every day.
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          Sep 5 2012: I worked in Australia, with many foreign friends. We did hear of many jobs being available to us because the locals where to lazy to get the right degrees, or put in the strenuous effort. Fine, let them be replaced, lol. Australia was built on immigrants anyway.

          There is a lesson to be learned by Australian youth from the Korean and Chinese immigrants. It appears they wish to learn the hard way.
  • Sep 3 2012: When you refer to a world community, this by definition, includes billions of extremely impoverished people. It would be an interesting question to put to them.
    I think the "world community" that you are referring to is made up of national scale policy makers and big business. That group is too busy with self interest. So my answer is that no meaningful measures will even be considered and the population of unfortunates will continue to rise.
    The only real solution is economic localization, building self reliant geographic communities. Sadly but naturally there is little inclination of large scale governments to hand over more power to municipalities so that economic development can be implemented and maintained at local levels. More to the point, there is no greater threat to mass- market corporate profits than self reliant local-living economies.
    If you picture the world map, with dots representing villages, towns and cities and lines dividing up the nations, I would suggest we remove the lines and make the fabric of society polka dot. Polka dots with as diverse an array of colours and sizes as possible.
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      Sep 4 2012: I was watching a TEDx in London, and a young architect pointed out that if he where thinking of who could employ him with his new degree he'd do the math. 1.6 percent of the world earn more than 25,000 pounds a year, or the average starting salary he was looking for, and how many of those would be bosses? A very small number indeed. So am I talking about 1.6 percent or less of the world when I say world community? No, when I say world community I mean every man woman and child - and their voice, anything less would not be the world.

      Thinking the world is run by policy makers and big business is an incredibly pessimistic and elitist view of the world. Where where you in 2011? Did policy makers approve of the fall of Tunisia and the Arab spring? Did big business fund the Egyptian Revolution? Does it even now.

      Economic localization would bankrupt many economies, and is not a trend suggested by popular and well respected economists. Could you perhaps reference a few. America and Canada make almost nothing of the products they use, switching to american made products would take a devistating toll and generations to re-train from a knowledge based economy, it would be very much like the brash modernization programs of the "Great Leap Forward" in China but in reverse.

      Humanity was once ruled in 'polka dot' formations, they where tribes and cities-states, and war was very common. 1 in 5 people where murdered, and humanity has become increasingly peaceful since larger and larger groups have been imagined into being. The strange thing, is that both the things you've advocated localization of the market (im assuming growing your own food would be encouraged) - subsidy farming- and tribal communities are both the two main things credited with preventing Africa from developing civil infrastructure and mitigating civil wars. In the west this may sound nice, but many African philisophers and youth leaders would see these as traditional ideas, that limit people.
      • Sep 4 2012: Hi Levi

        Yes my view is pessimistic and that the trend of more power in the hands of fewer is accelerating. I fail to see how creating strong self reliant local economies can cause bankruptcy. But then, perhaps some fast food chains and big boxes may suffer some collateral damage.

        Yes polka dot formations did exist before technology allowed for imperialism. I'm not suggesting completely economically isolated municipalities lead by imperialist wannabes whose policies would include waging war with the town down the road. I'm not so pessimistic to consider that a majority of people, living in stable local economies would encourage their mayor to invest in such barbarous ventures. Nor would I assume that in such healthy communities, the murder rate would increase. But then, perhaps some fast food chain managers and big box managers may suffer some collateral damage. :) I'm pointing out that for the first time ever, community-scale economies can communicate cooperatively with one another on a global scale to share their perspectives, challenges, solutions, methods of governing, intellectual resources and local culture.

        Yes I would argue that, compared to this vision of a world dotted with diverse, economically self reliant and culturally unique communities, the current state of society is elitist.
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          Sep 4 2012: So the goal is local self-reliant communities where everyone helps each other out to survive and considered modern society driven by a few wealthy elite who need to be confronted for change to happen? Huh, sounds directly like communism.

          That didn't pan out super well the last century. How is it different from communism exactly? It has the same flaw, it doesnt account for people willing to take advantage of the system, i hardly think you'd be able to regulate thousands of town leaderships, and for imperialism to begin all over again all you need is famine, foot shortages, or angry communities. Communism and this model fail to account for the experience of human prejudice.

          I imagine history has occurred the way it has because villages and small communities aren't particularly good and fending off, say anything that is not a village or small community. That's why anarchic systems are generally considered utopian, they have no central system to ensure the right to life of their citizens, let alone any other rights.

          I'll try and steer this back to unemployment if I can. Perhaps this is a practice in considering more radical approaches to chronic unemployment.
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      • Sep 4 2012: Yes it's easy to get sidetracked. I'll briefly respond to your comments and let the thread resume it's intended course.
        We don't help each other out just to survive, we live cooperatively to create communities that are stable and stimulating.
        The wealthy elite need to be ignored and circumvented, not confronted.
        Communism differs from "dotocracy" in that private ownership, democratic decision making and free enterprise still remain. There is no hint of anarchy.
        The model does account for the rare appearances of humans with imperialistic tendencies. Healthy communities would have no inclination to support local business owners or politicians exhibiting these traits. Those natures would be regulated through the transparency of local living. Much like flagging comments here in the TED community regulates poor behavior.
        Thanks Levi for the conversation. It's been a pleasure.
        And now back to unemployment :)
        And remember... If your dreams aren't utopian, you're doing it wrong.
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    Sep 3 2012: Hi Colleen, I am answering questions/comments sent to me -. The payroll auto-deposit tax was a heads up from a financial advisor- many taxes go into effect next 2 years that are not common knowledge-check with a cpa if you have a usa small business with employees .
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      Sep 3 2012: Anne,
      You stated..."did you know that the current administration is planning to make it mandatory for small businesses to auto-deposit employees checks, charge the employee a tax to take their money out of their bank because of auto-deposit, and make the employer pay a auto-deposit tax ...?"

      Thanks for clarifying....there is nothing pending officially with the administration....you got the "heads up" from a financial advisor. No, I do not have a small business of any kind any more. It's just nice to be clear about information....thanks:>)
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    Sep 3 2012: Yes, I think the definition of "job" has let us down.
    What, after all, is a "Job"?
    It is a process of granting your life energy to an individual or organisation in return for for a thing called "money".
    Money, it is presumed, can be used to obtain the requirements of life.

    So we have this intercession of 2 steps to access the requirements of our lives. Our entire attitude is shaped by tailoring ourselves for the utility of others. That sounds OK, but are these others our community?
    No they are not - they are separate, and they keep themselves distant from the people who's life energy they exchange for money - which is under their control.

    And what is money? At it's best it is an agreement that one thing has a relative value to another thing - it enables specialisation and roles within a society. At worst it is the means by which people are separated from the requirements of survival. A means for which the users of money pay a percentage called usury to those who control it.

    There is an alternative to "job".
    Consider - if the agregate energy of people is able to sustain us all (and our children) and keep the owners of money in spectacular luxury, it must follow that each person has sufficient energy to maintain themselves.
    The alternative to "job" is "work".
    Work is where you exert your energy to your own advantage. That can include exertion on behalf of your family and community without the intercession of "job" or "money".

    At the moment, we are set up to totally observe money - so that intermediary will take a while to eliminate, but we can eliminate the "employers" - simply by turning our own energy to our own ends - in that way, we get the full power of our work, rather than the 1/10 that is paid us in "jobs". (Any employer will tell you that one ,must get 10 times return on payment for labour or you don't have a "business case". The 9/10ths that the employee yields is mostly churned into speculative developments or just blatantly p***ed up against the wall.
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      Sep 3 2012: I'm not sure of the need for a rather existential journey about jobs. All I know is people need them to survive, and aren't getting them.

      Question everything by all means, but to what end. To make yourself more frustrated? The economies bad, business culture is stagnant and corrupted in many ways, what it takes to rejuvenate it is solutions. Solutions and a whole lot of people, people are inspired by hope. So in this scenario of jobs and unemployment, where is the hope?
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        Sep 3 2012: Hope is not necessary.
        "Needs must as the devil drives".
        I offer the only clear path to unemployed youth:
        Stop tayloring yourself for "jobs" - there aren't any.
        THere are 2 choices in the only path open:
        1. Find work that delivers enough advantage to personally survive - i.e personally make or do something that your community pays for in money or food/shelter.
        2. Crime - which is the same as #1, except with a higher risk premium.

        I can see the rule of law having a difficult time if youth are expected to become job-slaves in jobs that don't exist - they will become slaves alright, but not for corporations or governments. Tribal warlords are ready to accept them with open arms.

        (Edit: It has occured to me that there is a major obstacle to giving youth access to their own work - and that is expectations. It takes a while for one's work to establish any kind of wealth. The very high material expectations promoted by media are at the service of channelling into job-skills. Whilever the media persists with this, the #2 alternative will be the one most chosen - it offers instant satisfaction of expectations for no more than a risk premium - a premium that is less than non-survival.)
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          Sep 4 2012: Yeah this is why we need a giant public ambition like a new space race, which is capable of employing an entire generation. Rather than well, crack.

          But yeah its really tough out there. I know it's my generation.
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        Sep 4 2012: Well. there is a lot of merrit in large scale projects on which you can establish a future-credit economy, I think the leading protagonist of that is Lyndon Larouche - He's gaining some traction in US politics but comes up as a bit of a nutbag .. the tea party love him.
        Problem with all that is it simply feeds the old plutocracy - as all top-down solutions do.
        That's why I promote grass-roots bottom-up actions - for people to grasp the power they have in their small ways and just get on with it rather than waiting for god or some "great man" to lead them out of Egypt. I think it has been amply demonstrated that there were no "Great men" only great story tellers, and that all gret things were achieved by a group of united little people. THe myth of greatness serves only to supress the truth of individual power through unity.
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          Sep 5 2012: I do believe in greatness, but greatness can come from anywhere, any many woman or child and these great people do not sit around waiting for a saviour to solve all their problems, they do it themselves. I think that's what makes people great, those who willingly take on a large public burden as their own fight.

          I believe in utilizing both top-down and bottom-up approaches similataneously as both have their shortcomings in the field.

          Surprisingly space has also shown the ability to be harnessed by NGOs, small businesses, local governments, and village councils. Hundreds of villages in India pull on their space technology to learn about what to put in their crops, where clean water is, how to utilize e-governance to settle environmental and land disputes, tele-education, tele-healthcare free from the nations leading hospitals, as well as how to hold virtual national congresses of an unprecedented scale and leap towards envisioning a technical democracy. They're called ISRO (India's Nasa) Village Resource Centers.

          http://www.isro.org/scripts/villageresourcecentres.aspx - If you get time look at the informative brochure.
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        Sep 5 2012: I suppose you could say that true greatness is something granted to you by history - not something taken for its own sake. No man honoured as "great" through fact or fiction did a single thing alone.
        Even ground-shaking ideas are no more than building on what others have done before.
        I admire your attitude. If you can propogate it to the youth you contact, history might call you great .. or not, but doing it matters, not reading about it later.
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    Sep 1 2012: That's not exactly correct Barry. The Leader of any company puts incentives in place to get people moving. These incentives pay back 1000 fold if it's done the right way. It's true that the political-business is corrupt - but look at Ryan - VP Candidate = he sleeps in his office, a separate room that's available for all-night meetings. He does not rent a house or stay in a hotel to save tax payers $.. He and Romney are the same type of people. There ARE good people out there- it's OUR responsibility to Find them! Too many negative things are said about the good ones so the bad ones can keep the good ones out of view to us...
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      Sep 2 2012: I really doubt anyone thinks Paul Ryan or Romney are 'good people' although this is hard to judge. Even their own party thinks they're a necessary evil. Also, I dont think anyone who's poor or a minority should trust anyone who says the like Aryn Rand. I mean people don't read her books to become philanthropists the do it to justify being vicious to other people.

      I dont really want to discuss american politics in this thread, its about Global unemployment. Even if America was to get perfect leaders and do an overhaul of the economy to put it on track, there'd still be 185 plus countries who are still suffering major economic issues, and the global market would still be unstable.
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        Sep 2 2012: Hi Levi- please keep in mind :
        I think many Career Politicians want to disregard / badmouth the honest politicians because the honest ones are keen on taking away their political - freebees. ... I think Ryan and Romney are two that will take away the political freebees and waste - and stop the arbitrary high-end party-spending sprees ..... that's why a lot of politicians want to stay politicians - everything is free to them.
  • Aug 31 2012: "will they let time pass, and simply replace them with a younger eager generation willing to work for less, effectively strangling the generation for life."

    Well, that is what is happening right now, people are replaced with people who work for less, not only loans, but also insurance payments and pensions are cut down-this is not affecting the youth alone, they just get hit before they started.

    And employment or unemployment is not so much the question, as you see, employment does not necessarily mean that you can live from it. The funny aspect is, that you can see in third world were that leads to. I wonder why people in western hemisphere play the same game now, where do they exspect to live and spend their money when there is no place left anymore, where you can spent it without fear?

    That is why i believe that it will take a good end, once people with high income realize that there is no safe harbour left, they will be forced to limit themselves and force political changes for the financial sector.

    A problem is maybe your view on solutions, means, you seem to hang on the employment thing too much. There is no need for all these people to work, most jobs nowadays are virtual jobs that have no real existing goods as counterpart. That is why any system based on employment must fail sooner or later, because there is too much virtual money in the pot, money that is in fact worthless.

    And there is no true need for human workers in these virtual jobs soon, this affects mainly the self-announced elites from the universities, they gonna be replaced by machines almost fully, whilst "the worker" can not be replaced under all circumstances.

    And when this happens, the game starts another time-if we don't invent a better game, that isn't always ending in such short periods of some decades. The markets crashed a little too often in the last hundred years, we should not glue ourselves to a defective financial system.
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      Sep 1 2012: Unemployment is generally seen as being indicative of a financial and economic system as a whole this is why I have chosen to focus the topic around it, it serves like a litmus test for good public policies.

      I do not foresee the rich ever limiting themselves because there is no 'safe harbor' left. All of history until the last 200 years was a chronicle of extreme wealth and utter poverty. The large national middle classes we take for granted today where largely on the fringes of society, with war, political instability, and endless conflict that we seen in the third world today the policy of the day. Times got better because of normal folk making a difference, not permission from the elite to save themselves.

      Usually automation of industries does not replace the upper management, but the opposite the everyday worker. Most businesses are highly inefficient, their jobs repetitive and possible to further automate. I believe they should, but the only industry that cannot be automated by large is social work, it requires people to behave and navigate complex social networks and tasks which is something no machine can do - let machines crunch numbers and the masses go to work addressing the problems of today. A economy led by social entrepreneurship and innovation would very like change the very character, structure, and aims of our global economy - without incensing to instability and revolution.
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      Sep 1 2012: Hi Lars - that's what has to be stopped Now - it cannot become a routine - people can not accept it. They need to fight against it. Make the government make the corrections to itself. Government is spending your money. Make them do what is best for you with your money.
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    Aug 31 2012: You're right that the topic is about employment - or unemployment to be more precise. However, no matter how you cut it, in a time of population that grows just as fast as jobs are being automated, it is rather difficult to avoid answering your question without looking at a larger picture.

    The problems you speak of are real. So too should be the search for answers.
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    Aug 31 2012: Levi, you probably know about this, but the current featured challenge on OpenIDEO is about strategies to address youth unemployment at a bottom up level. It is a design collaboration of hundreds of people.
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      Aug 31 2012: No, I did not know of this, I am often doing international field work so have little access to news outside what I see on Al Jazeera (which is a fine source).

      Thanks, but i'm not sure if that can turn the tides, i imagine they need massive investment from around the world. There are usually a few innovative programs, as there are with AIDS, but that doesn't stop an epidemic, or the problem from getting worse.
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        Aug 31 2012: Levi, OpenIDEO is a web project rather than a news outlet. I too listen to Al Jazeera as one of my sources of news.
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    Aug 31 2012: Yes there is a STRONG possibility of a large, global social and political backlash that WILL HOPEFULLY change the fabric of our modern society. Our global economic model, that requires the existence of crippling poverty for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many of the declining middle class, is unsustainable. The economic model has no empathy or compassion because a model is not a person. It is an idea.

    Asking the wealthy who own the governments to choose make HUGE sacrifice because 2.8 billion strangers are either starving or facing food scarcity seems an impossible task. As long as they have their mansions and servants and toys, why should they spend time worrying about those things? They are like the Christians who say that if you are poor, it's because you are lazy.

    Whether the people want to or not, it is time to begin a conversation about how to end over population.
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      Aug 31 2012: Thanks this topic isn't really about over population, its about unemployment. Although like all things its connected to over population. Both have tangible solutions, this topic regarding the later.

      Solutions to global unemployment, and the potentiality for unrest, which you mentioned, and quite frankly it might turn out to be true, the problem goes unsolved, and explodes into unrest leaving breathing room for new ideas and truly global causes, as well as their tribal counterparts.