Anne Thull

Artist - Designer, 101 Henry Adams St # 424 San Francisco CA

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Is our Soul our Energy, our conscious and unconscious Mind and our Imagination?

If our Mind is not our Brain.
And if our Mind is includes our conscious and unconscious thoughts.
And our Mind nestles our Imagination.
Then our Mind must be our 'Energy'.
Is our Soul our Energy / our Mind / our Imagination?

People who have clinically died for 20 minutes or more - and who are revived - tell accurate stories of floating around with complete consciousness- and recall exact observations and conversations of what people were doing inside or outside their operating room .

  • Aug 31 2012: My argument is:
    Mind is generated from body.
    Body is physical.
    Energy is physical.
    Soul is not physical.
    As Soul is not physical it is neither an energy nor mind.
    It is something beyond the comprehension of the mind that is borne out of physical stuff.
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      Aug 31 2012: Golu Molu,
      How does the body generate the mind?
      How can the soul be born out of physical stuff?
      • Aug 31 2012: My Ego says that mind is generated by the body --- neurons, syanpsis, grey matter, white matter and other stuff. The Ego which talks about mind is also a creation of the mind. That's a paradox.

        All Ego stuff...

        Soul cannot be born out of physical stuff. It has nothing to do with the physical matter that we are used to.. When the Soul becomes alive (in us materialistic beings the Soul remains hidden somewhere). the mind vanishes - then we become one with the Universe. As we are physical beings we cannot be unified with something that is beyond the universe which people having NDEs see. They go somewhere beyond the universe.


        Jean Bolte Taylor's NDE is an epitome of the Soul taking over the I (mind, ego)

        Then, another one,

        Eben Alexender's NDE is a classic example of the Soul completey taking over and it travelling out of the physical universe.

        http://www.skeptiko.com/154-neurosurgeon-dr-eben-alexander-near-death-experience/




        Colleen, I am also a seeker. Good discussion going.
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          Aug 31 2012: Golu Molu,
          I believe we ARE unified with the universe....we simply need to recognize the unification.

          In my humble perception, the soul does not take over the mind, and I don't recall Jill Bolte Taylor saying that in her talk. For me, it is when we recognize the interconnectedness of everything.....nothing taking over anything else......that we experience something beyond the human experience.

          Thanks for the Eben Alexander link:>)

          What are you seeking?
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    Gail .

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    Aug 31 2012: Did you know that "thoughts" appear to be electromagnetic energy. I personally suspect that our "feelings" (as opposed to emotions) are that measurable energy. (Feelings are a universal language.)

    Energy can never be created nor can it die. It can transmute or be transmuted, but it is eternal.

    As a former practicing psychic, I can say that based on my experience, we are all part of a great oneness. I think of the soul as a frequency within the greater whole of my own being - the state of "being" that we are in common.
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      Aug 31 2012: Hi Ted L - This is amazing information - I agree. Thank you for sharing this insightful information.

      As I look back on my life, I made the right decisions for myself when I based them on my 'feelings' ....and made wrong decisions / trusted the wrong people / when I base my decisions solely on logic...

      I love the book by Prentice Mulford "Thoughts are Things" (1834-1891)... I go to this and others like him when I need to 'feed my soul'....
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        Aug 31 2012: I found that feelings feed logic and logic feeds feelings, whereas emotions feed irrational and irrational feeds emotions. I think of emotions as a compass pointing to mistaken beliefs. Logic was something that I had to learn. I first had to unseat my emotions from the position of superiority I gave them.

        Did you know that as you eliminate mistaken beliefs, suffering goes away and life gets easier?
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          Aug 31 2012: I like this TED L !
          it makes complete sense !

          how do you define Feelings vs. Emotion?
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        Gail .

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        Aug 31 2012: Here's an overbrief introduction. Think about your mother. Pay attention to your inner experience. (You probably won't notice anything because you have been overlooking it for so long, so when you are clear about your experience, immediately think about your father and pay attention to how different your experience is when you think of one or the other. You can do this exercise with everyrone you know. Did you know that when you write a letter to someone, that you do this naturally? Try it. Write a letter to a friend, a child, or even a stranger. Notice yourself quickly slipping naturally into what I call the person's "frequency". As you do this, you will choose words that will best communicate what you are trying to say.

        These are "feelings". As you become more adept at paying attention to your "feelings", you can being asking yourself what "things" feel like and situations feel like. As you do this, you will begin to "feel" when the story you are being told is incomplete. I feel complex issues geometrically, but that doesn't mean you need to.

        When you become aware of feelings, you can give psychic readings. Just find the person's frequency, immerse yourself in it as if it is your own, notice the imagery or feeling tones. You won't know what these things mean at first so silently ask them (as opposed to the person) what they mean, and understanding comes. As you do this more and more, you will realize that you are remembering rather than learning a very ancient language.

        What fun you can have remembering this language. If you have ever laughed at a tree hugger, you won't again. Trees DO have their own messages and way of communicating using the universal language.

        As you learn to trust your inner experience, you will know what the feeling of "something's not quite right here" feels like. When you find the part that's not quite right, & put it all together, the inner experience vibrates with harmony, which is always logical.
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          Sep 1 2012: Thanks TED L! very insightful - very true -
          I did experience this a little bit once - I was at a class and they tried this exercise.
          We sat in chairs, faced another stranger/person, held something of theirs and meditated- then told them what I saw. They did the same for me. We were both right-on. We described each others home garden. It was quite amazing...
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        Gail .

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        Aug 31 2012: Thoughts ARE things! Powerful things. So are words.
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          Aug 31 2012: I agree TED Lover...thoughts and words are powerful.....they carry energy...just as the energy carries thoughts and words. With our words, we are CONSTANTLY programming our mind to create our reality!
  • Sep 13 2012: Anne, you have tried to relate several metaphysical concepts all at once that are very difficult to grasp unless one can bring about a fusion of art and intellect - the domain of poets or creative writers.
    Nevertheless the important thing you are pointing out is that all living creatures, and especially human beings are not merely physical entities having finite boundaries and chemical processes but have non-physical dimensions that make us magical - something that has been slowly forgotten in the progress of civilizations and in the deployment of all our energies towards the physical. Today any talk of metaphysics is laughed at and ridiculed, so one has to be simultaneously cautious and creative in the use of metaphysical concepts. Firstly we need to sort out the broad relationship between the concepts. The funny thing is that today many metaphysical concepts have lost their potency and have to be extrapolated from physical concepts or understood as analogies from them. For example when you use the word 'energy' - it is basically a physical concept that is analogous to the originally metaphysical concepts of 'spirit' and 'will' - both of which are almost meaningless today. Similarly, today 'soul' has become meaningless and so we have to understand it in terms of 'essence' or 'substance' or 'potential'. Also 'mind' and 'consciousness' have both been elbowed out by 'brain' and 'neuro-chemistry'. The malaise is deep because by the domination of science in all our thinking, we tend to reject any 'intangible' or 'abstract' concept or ideas as nonsense. Thus only 'tangible' or 'measurable' or 'quantifiable' things are accepted as valid. The challenge for art-intellect has become stupendous, if not impossible - the other side of the equation is that the greater the challenge, the greater the potential for creativity amounting to magic.
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    Sep 1 2012: Nothing special,I'm a NZ Maori,one of the Polynesian peoples.A small group when you take into account there's more people in the inner city of San Fran than my people on the planet.
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      Sep 1 2012: I think that's Great Ken!
      I hope there's some history being written down about your tribes? And you enjoy learning the ancient ways.
      I wish we had more American Indian tribes in existence today.
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    Sep 1 2012: I had a strange experience when i was young but as always one can find alternative explanations for the situations i had put myself in at that time,i was young,25 and physically at the peak of fitness and i had gotten rotten drunk on an empty stomach and decided to drive home,a stupid mistake as i have never been much of a drinker so the effect was more rather than less as in some cases.I remember getting in the car then waking up with a young girl on top of me pushing down on my chest giving me resus,i reacted like that of some patients coming out of being under after surgery,i swept her to the side,i had no thought of anything other than "Where's my car" and then i saw it,i had gone through a fence and the car had wrapped itself around what we call a Hydrant post,the windscreen was punched outwards but i hadn't gone all the way through and as i had crashed back in my skull or jaw bent the steering wheel into a big smiley "U"I freaked and pushed the people that were holding me away like they were twigs,managed to get the car started and drove off in a panic,it died 2-300 meters down the road completely,i was close to a friends house so i managed to get him up to help get the car back to his house,he couldn't believe the damage,the windscreen or the steering wheel and i didn't have a mark or bruise on me but that meant nothing to me,it's what happened next that will stay in my mind forever.

    By this time it was 4.oo am and we were hooking the car up to tow it to his place when a young girl who had also been drinking came around the corner behind us,my mate Jon just said to me "Move" but it was too late,as i looked up her car was already impacting the rear righthand guard and i was next to the drivers door with it open,there was nowhere to go and there was for that instant, total deafening silence and as her car brushed past my jeans and peeled the door skin like a tuna can roller, it wasn't the sound of a car passing but a sound like frikkin little wings.
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      Sep 1 2012: Oh my gosh Ken - - Someone was protecting you -- big time! - - it's a miracle you survived without a scratch -
      ...The 'wings-sound' -- I think your 'guardian' was protecting you a second time - -
      You must have great things to do on this earth!
      what has happened to you since then Ken?

      When these things like this happen, we have a personal choice to believe 'something special just happened ' or we can dismiss it if we're not ready to be open to these things -
      if we let ourselves believe in "what we Know Happened " , we open our minds up and begin to learn first hand about space-time and how life is not just on our plane - or life-thread -... our life's journey becomes more meaningful as we start to notice more experiences as years pass on .

      when I was 7-8 yrs, I ran across our subdivision one lane street and a car slammed on it's breaks- I was frozen in the middle of the street - the cars front bumper very softly- slightly 'touched' the skin surface of both of my knees - then released. At that moment, the car rocked hard backward then forward - like it hit a cement wall -
      I knew - as a child - someone next to me just stopped that car but I looked left and right and behind me and saw no-one but I 'felt' they were there.. The woman in the car knew she did not just stop the car too - I could see it in her eyes - she was shocked that I stopped and jerked her car -
      ...then I ran to my house- just a few yards away -my Mother hugged me hard, then spanked me (softly ) for not looking before I crossed the street!
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        Sep 1 2012: Amongst my people we tend to look at it like that if something strange like this happens in the great river then you've been given due warning,so in my case i thought long and hard over the years and it all boils down to one thing for me,pride,I've had six"right offs" car crashes in my short life, all of them were due to being over tired except this one.

        I don't think i was meant to do great things otherwise i would have already known by now but i have met some great people and the greatest i have met was a rapeborn,uneducated,tortured from the labels he's had to carry and though his life revolves around a personal pattern that has always landed him back in the ghetto,he's the greatest human i know,a hero that doesn't know he's a hero,he has something that i could only dream of ever having,He has the power to break people.I have seen people break down and turn into blubbering snotty nosed messes when it has come upon him and to them,i don't know what it is but he has it what ever it is.
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    Aug 31 2012: Anne,
    Have you seen this TED talk?

    http://www.ted.com/speakers/jill_bolte_taylor.html
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      Aug 31 2012: no - ....... just watched it - amazing woman! I need to listen to it many times....how inspiring Jill Bolte is !
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    Aug 31 2012: Where are you? Are you there? Are you apart of me?

    "No" it replied "You are just a facet of me"
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      Aug 31 2012: Hi Ken,
      I believe I am "part" of you, and you are "part" of me, because I believe we are all interconnected, and we are mirrors to each other reflecting information back and forth all the time. We are all teachers and students in this earth school. What do you think about this?
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        Sep 1 2012: Yes Colleen i agree.

        Though we are all fiercely individual from our bodies to our thinking we are all the same,one of many.In a strange way when we encounter each other physically we have to synchronize with each other,for example A person approaches another and politely asks for directions,the polite questioner has unconsciously extended their own sphere of personal time to include another but to synch with the new "includee", keys that we all recognize must be presented to unlock/unzip another's personal time frame or alert another to merge with the polite questioners.The two become one for as long as it does,we do it everyday and in a way we do it through the power of the written word except the keys are different.which makes me out for the count with my appalling level of education as i truly can't communicate what's swimming around in the void of my head.Truly distressing.

        I agree Colleen we a part of each other whether we want to or not,we are the same,reflections.if this is what you mean or close to it but what you said was quite straight forward.
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          Sep 1 2012: Ken,
          You communicate "what's swimming around" in your head just fine, and I appreciate your communications, so you don't need to be "distressed" about that any longer:>)

          I perceive us to be energy beings, and like electrical energy, we are everywhere and nowhere....now here:>) We are a drop of water in the flowing, streams and rivers that join with the lakes and oceans:>)
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        Sep 1 2012: Do you know what would be fun to try?

        If each us within our respective countries,which means everyone in that country had an OHMM day or minute or maybe two,if for one instant in time an entire country OHMM's the world,the raw power of that sending,that would be incredible!Of course the Aussies will tell us to shutup,bloody kangaroo's.
  • Aug 31 2012: "Fire - Human being - thinking, self-consciousness, .... the spirit

    Air - Animal - feeling, breathing, ... the soul

    Water - Plant - growing, living, formative forces, the builder ... the living

    Earth - building blocks - mineral, chemical, lifeless, .... the physical"



    This hierarchial gradation of putting humans at the top of the pyramid has created all problems. All living beings are spirit beings. All living beings are soul beings.

    About Mother Earth - She must be a Super-spirit. A Super-soul......... not some non-living entity. The same goes with Father Sun.
    • Sep 1 2012: Golu,

      Thanks for your comment Golu,

      Firstly, we humans are not at all near the top of the pyramid. We are actually pretty far down if we take into account the angelic beings. My main point was to clarify the ideas that we are talking about.
      The differences that I wish to point out between the human, the animal, the plant and finally the mineral kingdom are needed to get a more complete understanding of these concepts.
      To say that all living beings are spirit beings and that all living beings are soul beings, then your are not really recognizing the difference between man and animal.

      The earth is alive yes. It is a living being yes. It too "incarnates" and "excarnates" ... breaths, lives, and eventually "dies" or exists in a non-incarnated state or in the purely spiritual realm.
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    Aug 31 2012: Here's an overbrief introduction. Think about your mother. Pay attention to your inner experience. (You probably won't notice anything because you have been overlooking it for so long, so when you are clear about your experience, immediately think about your father and pay attention to how different your experience is when you think of one or the other. You can do this exercise with everyrone you know. Did you know that when you write a letter to someone, that you do this naturally? Try it. Write a letter to a friend, a child, or even a stranger. Notice yourself quickly slipping naturally into what I call the person's "frequency". As you do this, you will choose words that will best communicate what you are trying to say.

    These are "feelings". As you become more adept at paying attention to your "feelings", you can being asking yourself what "things" feel like and situations feel like. As you do this, you will begin to "feel" when the story you are being told is incomplete. I feel complex issues geometrically, but that doesn't mean you need to.

    When you become aware of feelings, you can give psychic readings. Just find the person's frequency, immerse yourself in it as if it is your own, notice the imagery or feeling tones. You won't know what these things mean at first so silently ask them (as opposed to the person) what they mean, and understanding comes. As you do this more and more, you will realize that you are remembering rather than learning a very ancient language.

    What fun you can have remembering this language. If you have ever laughed at a tree hugger, you won't again. Trees DO have their own messages and way of communicating using the universal language.

    As you learn to trust your inner experience, you will know what the feeling of "something's not quite right here" feels like. When you find the part that's not quite right, the inner experience vibrates with harmony, which is always logical.
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    Aug 31 2012: Hi Anne:>)
    I LOVE San Fran....my son lives there:>)

    I think/feel humans often get their knickers in knots trying to explain and catagorize....LOL!

    I believe that energy powers the body. The body, including the brain ( an organ) is the carrier of energy. The energy carries conscious/unconscious thoughts, imagination, instinct, intuition, and those energies we may call soul and spirit.

    In my experience, there are many levels of consciousness. After a near fatal head/brain injury, emergency craniotomy and NDE/OBE I was clinically unconscious according to the medical model for a couple weeks, and also very aware of everything that was going on around me in ICU, as well as seeing the body from another place. Not a pretty site BTW:>)
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      Aug 31 2012: Re your comment: " I think/feel humans often get their knickers in knots trying to explain and catagorize....LOL! "

      = .... LOL - you are right Colleen!

      Thanks for you're incredibly insightful comments.

      Do you feel comfortable sharing more information? .
      ...What was your most exciting level of consciousness?
      ...What did you learn that you could share with us?
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        Aug 31 2012: Hi Anne,
        I am perfectly comfortable sharing information. I guest lectured, and facilitated discussion groups on the topic for years at the university, and the sociology professor/researcher/psychologist, whose classes I spoke in, worked with Elisabeth Kübler-Ross who was a pioneer in near death research, so we had some GREAT discussion group, and class conversations/experiences. As a matter of fact, as I recall, the professor was with Kübler-Ross when she died.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_K%C3%BCbler-Ross

        Most exciting level of consciousness? New question for me.....I LOVE it!

        I believe it was perhaps the deepest level of consciousness in which there was a sense of all-knowing.....past, present, future. I do not retain that information in human form because the level of energy vibration needed to carry that information is more than the human body can carry. It was the level in which there was a review of my lives. The level in which I became aware that I had been in human form before...many times....the level at which I became more aware of the purpose of the human life experience.

        What did I learn that I could share? How many pages do I have??? LOL:>)

        I learned more about the energy connection between everything and everyone. I learned more about our strength in human form, which I believe many people have given up on. I learned more about transcending human limitations. I learned about reincarnation, which was not at all part of my belief system prior to the experience. I learned more about unconditional love and acceptance. I learned to be more grateful for all the beautiful, loving people in my life, and I learned more about gratitude in the everyday life experience. I learned about my own strength and endurance, and how to apply it in many aspects of the life adventure.
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          Aug 31 2012: Hi Colleen -
          Amazing ! I am so happy for you that you were able to work with Elisabeth Kubler-Ross - what an incredible person. How special ! I'm so sorry for your accident and injury, and very happy you received such insight.
          I know what you mean about consciousness all knowing feelings-connected to everyone/everything -I have felt this too- but my experiences have happened when I was awake and doing everyday things. Here's one:

          short version: I'm 18, swinging alone at a local park, beautiful first warm spring morning in March. I was thoroughly enjoying the experience- focused on the sun peeking through the crown of the green leaves- feeling the soft breeze as I soared-on the swing- loving the motion- thinking of my Dad who passed away in March 4 years earlier -

          Suddenly- men wanted to abduct me...I was watching them as I slowed the swing...... thunderous vibrational sounds started at the crown of the trees - it was telling me to FLEE!!! .. I stopped swinging - but was frozen- the vibrational-noise became louder and descended upon me So LOUDLY that I finally - made an effort to lift my fanny off the swing ( 1/16th of an inch) - and POOF!!!
          I was next to my bicycle (100 yards away-by the main road into the park)- I was still in a sitting-stooped position. As I straightened up - my legs felt like rubber - I could see the men we're in shock - I took my bike- wobbled onto the main road - the men did not follow. The main road was 8 lanes plus left turn lanes- large intersection.. ALL traffic was stopped. Everyone had a red light- I could see people talking and moving in their cars - it felt like 5 minutes -So I finally wobbled diagonally straight across all lanes -walking my bike- then the moment I stepped onto the curb- SWOOSH~! Cars flew by and everyday-sounds Loudly-POPPED back to normal ( prior to that- I did not notice sounds were low murmur..)... I rode home, and was safe. ..The vibrational-noise was pure Energy-
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        Aug 31 2012: Anne,
        OOPS.....NO.....I did not work with Elisabeth Kübler-Ross....read my comment please! The professor whose classes I spoke in worked with Kübler-Ross.

        A lot of things happen in our world that we might consider unusual, supernatural, etc. I believe it is all very natural:>)
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          Aug 31 2012: Colleen - what do you find natural about this experience? that energy is around us?
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        Aug 31 2012: Anne - Those things that we sometimes call "miracles", seem natural to me. The story you told above....something "propelled" you to act...true? We get information from instinct, intuition, subconscious, universal consciousness or collective consciousness...etc. I am functioning with two conditions that were supposed to cause me to be totally disabled.... There are many things that happen around us all the time, and we think.....that was really weird....or unusual....or a miracle.....etc........know what I mean?
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          Sep 1 2012: oh yes - I know what you mean Colleen -
          The next day I read in the paper that a girl matching my description was killed in that same area of the park the day I was there....

          I think that we can tap into energy sources when we are ' in the now' as you mentioned before- we are free-minded...

          Another amazing note about that experience is I could not describe the vibrational noise until 20 years later when we went to the symphony that had a special 300 person choral group -
          ....as they both 'warmed up' (separately) - they started to overlap sounds -
          I was so excited - because this was similar to the vibrational-energy-noise I heard that day = a full symphony orchestra Warming up
          a 300 member choral group Warming up
          then + a car next to your car at a red light with a very very very loud boom box vibration
          = all happening at the same time, with the same frequency
          that's an idea of what the Energy-vibrational sounds were like - yet they were sounds we have not created yet-
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        Sep 1 2012: Anne,
        I don't ever recall hearing "vibrational noise", but then, we're all different. Some people see auras...I don't. I "feel" energy and energy connections.
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          Sep 1 2012: when I was younger I felt and heard peoples energy - if they were bad for me - it sounded like a low slow boom box vibration.
    • Aug 31 2012: Colleen, there is lady Sonia Choquette. You might want to listen to her.
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        Aug 31 2012: I am familier with Sonia Choquette, and have her audio series "Creating Your Heart's Desire" in my personal library, which I often lend out when applicable:>)
  • Aug 31 2012: Hello Anne, how are things in S.F.? Love S.F.! Great city! Used to live there many years ago.

    I think your getting close to the core of the question. But the thing we need to do here is to decipher a little more just what we are talking about. Although we, as living, breathing, human beings have various forms of "energy" the word is not encompassing enough to really describe in a clear picture just what we are as " human beings " with all these different energies floating about. I am with you on the NDE's ... amazing!

    Here's a way of looking at it Anne.

    Your self-conscious being or your " I " is the captain of your ship. The thinker. The observer. The pilot. The one in charge, or at least should be the one in charge.

    Along comes the wind, many winds, strong winds perhaps from many directions, it wants to blow your ship here and there. This is your "soul being" .. your feelings,emotions, your desires .. both conscious and unconscious. They "impel" you, ...not "compel" you. Your "I" decides. ... in as much as you don't just "give in" to your own desires.

    Your "life energy" or that which is actually keeping your physical body alive, this has to do with the growing and nourishment, digesting, reproducing, biological aspect of our being. It is the "carrier" of the soul body (feeling) and the self consciousness body (thinking) parts of our being. The builder.

    The remaining body is the physical body which is basically just that. The mineral, the chemical, all that is of material substance.

    So basically, put shortly and simply, we have these four working elements of our being.

    You might even compare this to the four elements of the ancient Greeks.

    From the highest down,

    Fire - Human being - thinking, self-consciousness, .... the spirit

    Air - Animal - feeling, breathing, ... the soul

    Water - Plant - growing, living, formative forces, the builder ... the living

    Earth - building blocks - mineral, chemical, lifeless, .... the physical
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      Aug 31 2012: Hi Daniel - this is Excellent! Thank you!
      • Aug 31 2012: Thank you Anne,

        I must confess that they are not my own original thoughts. I have been reading diverse books that explain in surprising detail about how this amazing world hangs together, or at least one perspective on it. The four elements that I mentioned above is of course from some of the Greek philosophers, and by the way, they were some pretty sharp cookies.
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          Aug 31 2012: Hi Daniel - LOL I agree those Greek Philosophers were Great Guys! (and Gals that we never new of) !
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          Sep 1 2012: Hi Daniel - these are some authors whose books I read that made an impact on my learning about misc. things - I'm sure you're heard of them but thought I'd pass the on:


          Holographic Universe - Michael Talbot.
          he has another earlier book that isn't in as much depth - but it explains a little about his youth and his parents - great insight. michael talbot is deceased / brain tumor (which is fascinating really - after you read his books - he knew he was here for a short time to share info. when I found out he passed away about 20 years ago I felt like a close cousin died.

          Many Lives Many Masters - Brian Weiss, MD, PHD

          Books by Fred Alan Wolf, Ph.D are fascinating . Theoretical Quantum Physicist
          www,FredAlanWolf.com
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yufAa4oFyug&feature=related
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUVrvlaPuGE&feature=relmfu
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgVKvkMbR3A&feature=fvwrel
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        Sep 1 2012: Anne,
        Regarding your question..."How do I extend the conversation time?"

        Go into the screen where you set up this conversation. There is a box on the lower left side, which says...
        "This conversation should close in"

        You can make a choice as to how long you want the conversation to run.
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        Sep 1 2012: I noticed!!!
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      Aug 31 2012: Hi Daniel,
      Fancy meeting you here again!!! LOL:>)
      • Aug 31 2012: Hi Colleen !
        Nice to see you out here on the discussion too. Been busy with a lot of other things in life otherwise, so I haven't been so much on TED ... but it is good to get engaged in good conversations !. I only wish Anne would have made this conversation last a little longer.

        I must admit that I am a bit selective in what I get engaged in though. NDE's, soul, spirit, consciousness etc are all most interesting to me.

        All well with you Colleen ?
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          Aug 31 2012: Daniel,
          Looks like you moved this comment and deleted the previous one? I moved mine as well:>)

          Hi Daniel....always nice to see you my friend:>)
          Yes....all well with me....hope the same for you.

          Anne can extend the time of the conversation if she wishes......yes?
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          Aug 31 2012: How do I extend the conversation time?
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    Aug 31 2012: Also different, even negative reports have been stated by people with near death experience. Many of them did not dare to speak about it openly, as it seemed to them by religious standars as they have seen 'hell'. By this and for other reasons I am very careful in overinterpretation of those events, as our brains are capable of much more than we usually get to 'see'.

    It is interesting to find this certain urge for transcendency of our minds, as if it was a shame that it would 'only' dwell within our brains.

    For many people who ever suffered a stroke it became pretty obvious where to put the origin of our minds and all the other functions we are usually not consciously aware of. From one moment to another, nothing 'works' as it used to and no other 'instance' is there for compensation or backup. Depending on size and location of the affected area the consequences can be from sudden death to 'back to normal' and all possible disabilities in between...

    From there, nothing appears to be just 'given' or granted by default settings, as all can just vanish within split seconds ...

    Personally I see more than enough room for all the beauty we can unfold within our 'grey matter' and all the 'realities' we are able to create within... :o)
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      Aug 31 2012: Hi Lejan.
      Yes, I have heard of 'hell' experiences also - and everything in between. Even those stories are very inspiring because the people who do share them explain how it profoundly changed their lives.

      I believe that legitimate psychics, mediums, etc , learn how to 'open themselves ' to another dimension...or use our 6th sense - I think we all have the ability to do this - if we want to -

      I think our ' Intuition " is our door to our 6th sense "

      What I have learned to do is to ' Ask ' the Universe for help when I need it. When I remember to do this - I get help. My thoughts become clear, I can review things without intense emotion confusing the real-problem.... it's amazing. ...The most difficult part is 'remembering to Ask' ..... I never remember to do this until I'm at my wits-end! ...... maybe that's the only time it works.....?
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        Aug 31 2012: Hello Anne.

        Due to my personal views I am not able to follow the concept you just shared and therefore a discussion about it would probably not lead anywhere for both of us.

        But I do hope you will run short on reasons to ask the universe for help with an ongoing tendency towards zero!

        Meanwhile the remembering part is easy to fix: Just use a fridge and magnets, as both have also been invented to help us on those matters ... :o)
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          Aug 31 2012: I think we have more skills than we use Lejan. You seem to be a complex thinker - and logical in your approach to these matters . Most people, myself included, never would have wondered that much about some things if we didn't experience something along the way. I think we all have unique experiences - and at that time we choose to ignore it or learn more about it - investigate...

          we're all our own detective
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        Sep 2 2012: Hello Anne.

        I absolutely agree with you that we do have more skills than we use and any time I get a glimpse on mine I like to learn about them. Yet while doing so, I do not transzendent them and I have problems to follow those who do.

        As I do not seperate my emotional from my rational side, my personal conclusions are either non 'spiritual' or remain unsolved - and this without the need for substitutional believes.

        To me there are no 'legitimate psychics' or 'mediums', as non of them ever proved themselfes 'valid' or 'true' as their 'output' falls below statistical evidence.

        And as long there is no 'supernatural phenomenon' which proves itself valid, repeatingly, there is no 'supernatural phenomenon' at all and no need to 'wish it' there insead...

        My mind is open, yet not easy to be fooled on those matters.

        Luckily I know that I do not hold the last wisdom on that, yet I am not capable to follow an spiritual approach only, not even half way ... :o)

        I just learned to live with 'gaps' and this without feeling incomplete or insecure and this is the cause for my inability to fill those 'gaps' artificially.
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          Sep 2 2012: Lejan - There ARE very legitimate psychics -
          I met about 3 psychics through the years (30 yrs) " by happenstance "
          and a couple people who see the souls who passed on...

          Some I contacted, and one of them contacted me because they were getting messages to give to me from the soul that passed on was so energetic he / the psychic could not ignore the soul / the soul refused to 'quite down' ..... He found me through people who were friends of his - their daughter happened to have a booth next to mine at a trade show I was at, out of state.... He gave me a free reading.
          It was my niece who passed a few months earlier in a car accident - she was 22yrs old - she was wise beyond her years and a ball of energy when she was alive -even at 5'H (if that tall). He gave me messages to give to her Mom and Dad and brothers which I did... and they were not surprised because what I told them - made perfect sense to them - my niece was trying to reach them through their family dog - the dog was following her around the house - like it did when she was alive... my message to them made them realize it was true - that the 4 of them were not imagining it - this helped the family begin to heal -
  • Aug 31 2012: I believe the soul and mind are one and the same.
    Only our mind can process information, be inspired, imagine and the brain, a physical system cannot do this.
    No machine can.
    Lawrence Krauss says the insides of a proton is basically empty, sort of. It is actually a brew of virtual particles popping in and out of existence, so rapidly that they cannot be seen, or actually manifest into something.

    So this represents an unlimited potentiality and only really manifests itself when a sentient observer, observes. Hope I got that right.
    Interestingly enough, this is identical conclusion that Deepak Chopra arrived at when he says the mind is an "embodied and relational process that regulates the flow of energy and information."
    Everything in the universe is either on or off and when it is off there is no information, no manifestation and I guess, no real consciousness. But, all of it is one, integrated, correlated, process.
    Watch sunlight on water, especially with a slight breeze rippling the surface. There are billions, perhaps trillions of tiny dots of light, all on and off at rapid speed. At the quantum level, this is what is happening in empty protons. If there is nothing there, then what is/isn't there could only be potentiality, until manifestation occurs, but a sentient being observing - aware and conscious. I don't know. I just wanted to see if I could write that little bit out.
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      Aug 31 2012: This is fascinating Random Chance.

      ...I have read that , basically, we are made of 'star-dust' ---- therefore we are all the same etc ... and of course it goes far beyond that simple statement. ...

      So...do you think Lawrence Krauss's was observing 'thought-energy' popping in and out of the proton's - because we cannot 'see' energy ? And when he observed it - it started to hide from him? because as he observed it he was changing it? just by observing it ?

      ....Perhaps we can only hear , feel , and experience energy through space and time?

      Re your comment : " Everything in the universe is either on or off and when it is off there is no information, no manifestation and I guess, no real consciousness. But, all of it is one, integrated, correlated, process."

      My experience has led me to believe that 'we' , as individuals, are the ones who can turn our experiences on or off -
      ...the 'key' , for me, has been, (what I've read about for years but could never understand the concept -
      until I experienced it = was " complete surrender to the universe with your problem "

      .... When you can do this, you feel completely free - you've given the problem to 'someone who you know will solve it' ....... and it' happens... you receive the answer to your problem..

      ...It happened to me a few times through the years, when I was doing every day things -
      I wasn't meditating etc. ....it seems to be more of a " complete openness to the universe " that is the key....

      I have tried to do this again - many times - it won't happen - because I'm trying....
      there has to be no thought of trying - just total belief - it's very hard to get there - to give up all control.
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        Aug 31 2012: I agree Anne....it may not happen because you 're trying too hard to control it? I believe to experience what you speak of, takes a certain degree of surrender (to give oneself over to something as an influence or course of action)

        When we give up trying to control, we may be able to surrender to what is, and when that happens, we experience real freedom:>)
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          Aug 31 2012: Exactly Colleen! ........ You know - you've experienced it.

          ..it's difficult for me to completely surrender again / to get there again / because I'm so much
          ' In the Now ' anymore - just keeping my business going during the down-again economic twists and turns...
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        Aug 31 2012: Anne,
        You say it is difficult to completely surrender again...to get there again...because you are so much "In the Now".

        Just a little reminder of what you already know in your heart.
        "There" is "Here"....NOW. It is being in the moment, that brings us closer to everything that is:>)

        Are you NOWHERE? Or.....NOW HERE?

        "
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          Aug 31 2012: ha ha - very good - Colleen -! Great Insight ! Thank You !
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      Aug 31 2012: Thanks Ed! ... I'll find the " Til I'm 164 " thread and read it .

      Thanks for mentioning our " Intuition " also - It's what I base all my 'feeling' decisions on - when i take the time to do it - ...when I just use logic, I don't always make the correct decisions....

      What do you think happens when we meditate - and have an incredible insight ?
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          Aug 31 2012: Hi Ed - yes, I see how EXPANSION defines it well ! ( thanks for the link !)