A wal
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The big bang didn't really happen.

I forgot about this one. The universe is a four dimensional sphere (so is a black hole) that has no edge or centre. Everywhere is in the centre from its own perspective, like the surface of the Earth. When you look across a curved surface the light waves get stretched making them red shifted, and obviously more red shifted the further away you look. If you travel in straight line in any direction (including time) you would eventually end up back where you started. You wouldn't remember though if you did it in time because you can't get information through a singularity, even if that's not what it would look like if you were actually there.

Closing Statement from A wal

The exceptionally simple theory of everything by Garret Lisi http://www.ted.com/talks/garrett_lisi_on_his_theory_of_everything.html is 248 circles wrapped around each other to produce the E8 shape. I've believed that this theory is true ever since I first saw it and I think it will be confirmed very soon by the LHC. I think that the four dimensions that we're aware of are also spherical in nature and that looking across its curved surface causes the red shift associated with dark energy, and that looking across space to the other side of the universe causes the illusion of everything condensing into a singularity which is the cause of dark flow, and that looking back in time has the exact same effect of creating the illusion of everything condensing into a singularity. In an eternal universe there's plenty of time for black dwarves to form, which could also explain dark matter as well. Three for one and farewell to the beginning of time, all using an extended special theory of relativity. (:

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    Aug 30 2012: Everything is born from nothing.

    If you imagine this that everything there is, only is energy in one or other form and that energy can be detected as a waveform. Any wave can be silenced or put out by another wave with a complementary character.

    As you have a sound you can silence it with another sound. As long as they don't meet we have music.

    So we have to think about nothing to be the source of everything and in itself no thing (not a thing) and by this out of reach for any thought. Or maybe it is the heart of thought that generates all we know and can think about.
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      A wal

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      Sep 10 2012: (: See the link I just posted. I think it's our own perceptions that create everything.
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    Aug 29 2012: When I was young and naive, I used to explain how "God" didn't create the universe, but it was born with a big bang.
    Now I see it's the same thing. The BB theory is just another step in our understanding, sort of a scientific explanation of the old testament.
    My simplified idea is the one of constant pulsing of the universe, that never started and will never end. Unfortunately, or finite nature makes it really hard to comprehend that we are not the measure of things, and just because we die, doesn't mean that the universe has an expiery date.
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      A wal

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      Sep 10 2012: To be honest I've never liked it having a beginning. It just didn't make sense to me and I used to think it was a bouncing universe (infinite loop of big bangs and big crunches). I'm glad there's a far simply explanation. Actually I think we are the measure of things , in a literal sense, and the universe wouldn't exist without us but that's another conversation. http://www.ted.com/conversations/13479/we_create_the_universe.html
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    Sep 22 2012: They would form they same way our current understand of the big bang works. Are you asking what causes the big bang to happen in the first place?
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      A wal

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      Sep 22 2012: No, I don't believe in the big bang model, although I think it can be described that way because that's what happened from our, or anywheres perspective but that's not what it would look like if you were actually there. It would look like this.

      I'm asking how galaxies could appear out of nowhere?
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        Sep 22 2012: There no link, I dont think that galaxy can appear out of no where. How do you think the universe and galaxy are formed?
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          A wal

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          Sep 22 2012: I don't! Read the description at the top! No beginning or end. It doesn't need them because it's curved, time as well.
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    Sep 21 2012: Actually I would suggest that the big bang did happen and is continuing to happen about 100 per year. Currently we understand them as Gamma Ray Burst but really we have no clue what going on. They completely destroy our current physics (e=mc2) and so scientist have made them fit our current physics. To me they are what create the galaxies much on the same thought as the big bang but instead of just one big bang creating the whole universe . Each galaxy is have there own big bang in the form of these gamma ray burst. The truly funny thing is science has already discover that they are coming from billions of light years away from galaxies with rapid star formation. But are to stuck on the idea of destruction, instead of creation

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-ray_burst

    um sorry for using wiki
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      A wal

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      Sep 21 2012: I forgot about gamma ray bursts. I think I know what causes them. I'll write that up later. Anyway I'm talking about the universal big bang. The one that's based on the red shift that's actually caused by looking across a curved surface.
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        Sep 21 2012: I still think the red shift can be explained in this form of "big bang theory" and truthfully it makes more sense just from a logical stand point that each galaxy is created by a big bang verses the whole entire universe. I am also saying that what ever galaxy was first it was also created by a big bang. Call it my multiple big bang theory. It wouldnt get rid of your red shifts....I think :)
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          A wal

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          Sep 21 2012: Well I hate the big bang model and there's hundreds of billions of galaxies so that would be hundreds of billions times worse for me. How do you think galaxies spontaneously appear?
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        Sep 21 2012: You mean other then the big bang or with out it? or with my multi big bang theory?
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          A wal

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          Sep 21 2012: If each one is born with a big bang then where do the galaxies come from?
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        Sep 22 2012: Is Andromeda blue shifted when we spectral analysis it?
        It's moving in our direction or we are moving towards each other.

        So A wal, your saying that position in space has something to do with wither we receive light from a galaxy as red shifted or blue right? We see enough galaxy collisions that some have suggested the idea of random movement could support Einsteins idea of a static universe instead of the expansion theory. I understand that some are actually looking in to this idea but the research is being squelched because it flies in the face of so many other intrenched scientists who back their career on the big bang.
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          A wal

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          Sep 22 2012: Same thing! Movement is relative. (; So yes, it's blue shifted, and we'd be blue shifted to anyone there.
  • Sep 1 2012: We don't know where or what we really came from
    and if we return to it, we still won't know where we came from.
    If one is a non-theist, they will never get any satisfaction from any of what is proven, revealed, or found.

    If one is a theist, it won't really matter because a higher plane is bound somewhere else.

    It's all just a mirror image anyway, reflecting it all back on itself and that is what we see, but we cannot see that it is a mirror image because it looks like it goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and after awhile, even that looks like a mirror image.

    Whatever it is, it is. It just is, it doesn't exist, it just is and neither science nor religion can or will be able to prove their positions.
    Things are hidden in those places where they cannot be found. Such as where dark becomes light and hot becomes cold. Microbes survive in and at temperatures humans thought impossible for life, yet maybe that particular state of cold is where cold becomes hot or warm, or light becomes dark.
    In one of these deep-hole caves, life forms were found in toxic slime. Slime that is so toxic it will burn the skin and just breathing the air at these depths will kill a human. Under a microscope they look exactly like string theory, both open and closed and simply vibrating.
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      A wal

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      Sep 10 2012: We didn't come from anywhere, we're just as much a part of the universe as everything else. We came from here. The atoms in our bodies became fused into other elements inside stars to form us and the solar system.
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    Aug 30 2012: I'm slipping towards Dark matter is actually an effect of a combination small singularities and possibly the new "Hot Dogs" or hidden supermassive black holes and that the universe at this current stage is just one level of matter transformation from an earlier form,kind of like a slow turning inside out of a t-shirt,speculation only,gets rid of the bang though.
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      A wal

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      Sep 10 2012: You don't need to go to such extreme lengths to get rid of the big bang. The whole universe is red shifted practically, so it's all moving away and speeding up as well, or it's simply a curved surface. Acceleration is a curved path through four dimensions. You can't accelerate on a universal scale. Accelerate where? You can only accelerate relative to other objects. Acceleration becomes pure curvature when you're looking at the whole universe.
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    Aug 29 2012: Your original topic description makes the assumption that the Universe only contains 4 dimensions. That may be correct or incorrect. Current String Theory makes assumptions (theories) that the Universe may contain as many as 11 dimensions. So even if the Big Bang did occur, the assumption it only creatred 4 dimensions is in question today. If there are more than 4 dimensions...some of which we can't observe...then any description of what we see or can't see is questionable and so would the conclusions that we draw from it. Saying that a line is straight or curved may be meaningless in a Universe with more than the 4 dimensions you started with.
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      A wal

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      Sep 10 2012: The fact that the surface of the Earth is a curved two dimensional plane and anything that travels in a straight line in any direction will end up back where it started isn't invalidated by the knowledge that there's such a dimension as up and down as well. Actually I think it has another 124 dimensions, and I also think it makes no difference to the four dimensional sphere that we are aware of and that the correct theory of everything is on this website. http://www.ted.com/talks/garrett_lisi_on_his_theory_of_everything.html
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    Aug 29 2012: I love the idea of the "Big Bang". I find it comforting - though if sufficient evidence that tells me otherwise, I'll probably find that just as comforting. I enjoy the idea that the singularity split into many pieces, and all that is, is entangled. I also believe that the singularity is aware, as are all the pieces that we call the multiverse.
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      A wal

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      Sep 10 2012: It is all entangled in a sense. The smallest action from anything in the universe effects everything else in the universe to some degree. We are the parts of it that are aware.
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    Aug 28 2012: What you speak of is theoretical. We really don't know at this point what shape our universe is, if any. It is possible that what you speak of is true, that we may end up back where we started if we travel in a straight line. Have you heard the theory that our universe was created out of a collision from two other universes inhabiting different branes? There is also a newly discovered phenomenon called "Dark Flow". Looking at the minute measurements of the red shift of distant galaxies, it appears that galaxies are not only moving away from each other and accelerating, but also tend to be moving in the same direction as a whole, as if all the galaxies are being drawn toward something. It's speculated the gravity from another bubble universe is pulling on our own.
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      A wal

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      Aug 29 2012: Oh you mean when we look towards the opposite side of the sphere and everything funnels from our perspective into a singularity. Anyone there would say the universe looks like it's being pulled towards us.