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How can America get out of this mess?

The world needs America to function and what is MORE - we want you to work.

Your own Brene Brown has already told us all how it is done
and believe me we ALL needed to learn this lesson.

I want to hear your story, your input and your ideas or your reactions, please.

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    Aug 29 2012: I'm sure it has been said - it is not just America in "this mess".
    However, the world still looks to the USA for leadership, so I suppose there might be some motivation in that.

    Dividing things into localities produces only local vision, and only local solutions.

    And therin lies the answer:
    Nations had stability that depended on their borders, but religion broke those borders. Religion had stability dependent on the teaching of their prophets, but profits suplanted the prophets.
    Corporations had stability dependant on the market, but the internet is dissolving the market.

    4 great powers are at war - the nation-state, the Church, the corporation and the internet.

    And yet, all remains local. All borders and definitios give way to wider "locality". They fight in desperation as their bubbles rupture and blame each other.

    Step back - way back in time, look. What is this "mess".

    If we are to be the farmer, the ultimate parasite harvesting all we see, we must not kill the host.

    We have closed the system around ourselves - made ourselves "local" but the universe will not stand still and all walls will fall.

    In the open system that is our universe, energy and dynamics continue cycling and renewing, toxic and destructive concentrations dissipate.
    Within a closed system, the critical parameters become subject to exponential concentration - ultimately burning-out all that remains in the closed system.

    The "mess" has been going on for 10,000 years.
    The practice of closing the ground into a thing called "property" in which we could harvest our host gave us advantage, but we forgot to allow the Earth to participate .. keeping it all in for ourselves.

    We made the closure of our world into a god and placed him above the truth.
    We turned our method against each other - closing our fellows into bondage and slavery and worshiped the slavemasters as demigods - aspiring to be like them and forgetting that there is only one farmer and many sheep, and to be harvested is to lose
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      Aug 29 2012: We are circling the bowl and you want to tell us we are all in a mess? YIKES!
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        Aug 29 2012: THis mess is not new.
        THe parameters used to close a system are the things that go exponential and burn-out.
        Look at everyone getting so excited and happy about the exponetial growth in various parts of our world - technology, wealth, population, GDP, consumption.
        And for each of these growts is a corresponding spike outside of the boundaries of our enclosures.
        All these things will burn-out at the point of critical tollerence - most of which we don't know, but an exponent gets there very sudenly, no matter how great the tollerence is.
        Babylon saw this mess, Egypt saw this mess, Rome saw this mess, they all saw this mess - and now we are seeing it too.
        Our nations, our religions, our corporations and the internet(probably) will all burn-out as the wider locality of the universe exerts itself. Our farms will become dust-bowls.
        The mess is necessary and unstoppable.
        The real question is - assuming any survive, how shall they avoid making the same mistake?
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          Aug 29 2012: You know Mitch, sometime in the future, a million years from now, someone, it could be from your gene pool, will say: "...This mess is not new."
          :)
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          Aug 29 2012: I know where you're coming from Mitch... but, honestly... I think you're still going to be saying the exact same thing in 15 years : p
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        Aug 29 2012: @John M,

        If it's a human, odds are that will not be what they say.
        In Babylon, Egypt, Rome etc, there was latent tollerance in the system to absorb their messes and the repercussions of their sudden collapse. The systematic closure formed by farming and money-based economy was local - one could always find anoher patch of ground to clear.
        The same dynamic is still at work, but there are no new patches of ground to clear, the locality is suddenly global as far as our planet is concerned. So all the complimentary exponential spikes surrounding the enclosure we call "civilisation" will collapse - with nowhere to absorb the shock wave.

        Those in the future, presuming they are human, and presuming they carry my genome will be saying - "we owe so much to those who quietly left the closed systems - we honour those who were crushed by the fall of the leviathan."

        The only hope of any human individual right now is to stop participating in systems closures such as property, money and slavery. Not all will get through, but I am working to ensure that there are enough by showing those with ears and eyes that there was never any need to close our systems - to participate in the whole, survive as you can, but honour your world - be in it and not apart.

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