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Global Youth Dichotomies and Contradictions: What are your Observations?

Global Youth Dichotomies and Contradictions: What are your Observations?

1. Global youth are more informed about people in other cultures than previous generations, yet they are less likely to vote and many are uninformed about the causes of climate change. How can they be more informed and yet ignorant about the most important impact on their future?

2. Adults often focus on the negative aspects of young people, such as delinquency, yet view them as the source of what’s cool and trendy. What explains this contradiction?

3. American culture is described as adolescent, characterized by living in the present, mood swings, rebelliousness, openness to change, and fascination with extremes. Agree or disagree?

4. Are “little emperors” overly protected and spoiled by their parents? Does this leave them unprepared to deal with adversity? What do you observe among young people you know?

5. Is Mark Zuckerberg’s Facebook company the model of the Millennials, open-minded, concerned about helping others, collaborative and non-hierarchical? Or are they materialistic consumers who value their possessions?

6. Millennials are the “relationship generation,” who like to spend time with their parents. Has the generation gap narrowed? SpeakOut youth criticized adults for their bad habits, judgmentalism, lack of understanding, bossiness, and being stressed and angry. How can these two dichotomies exist at the same time?

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  • Aug 30 2012: Interesting. When did you start to see a change with more helicopter parents over-protecting their kids?
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    Aug 29 2012: 1. If you were informed... You wouldn't vote for either of these idiots either... but your parents aren't going to donate money to people who are informed... because adults don't care about being informed, they picked their team a generation ago.

    2. People with free time, have time to be cool and trendy.

    3. American culture used to value youth and change, now we're bankrupting our youth to pay for the debts of a generation of little accomplishment.

    4. Yes, young people today are spoiled, detached, unmotivated, and addicted to drugs, because we kept telling them they were special over and over and over again, no matter how horrible they performed.

    5. Yes and yes, no more materialistic than the previous generation however.

    6. I seen no evidence that millennials are the "relationship generation", we're trapped with our parents because we're bankrupt.
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    Aug 29 2012: I love millennials! I have two of them:) They have a different culture than the culture I grew up in (in the US). I just have to keep reminding myself of that fact. The whole tattoo and piercing thing for example. Did you ever notice that the last time tattoos were this popular was when the US was attacked at Pearl Harbor? And these kids lived through the world trade center. And surprise, they are also participating in self mutilation. I really think it has to do with their age and how their safe little world their parents created was changed and how they could not control or have any say in what to do about it. But that is just my observation.

    I completely agree that some of the overall societal behavior of the US is adolescent in nature. To the point of sibling rivalry during an election year. And greed. So much greed. We are just a young country in the scheme of things and our society is still in the experimental phase somewhat.

    Yes they are the entitled generation. I deal with them A LOT! Them and their helicopter parents. (I am the exception - lol of course not. I am guilty of it too but try to keep it in control) They will learn to deal with adversity. But they will deal with it with a support system in place. Unfortunately that support system is in my office a lot.

    I do not think all of this will be bad. They will learn to keep family and support close and provide support in return. Imagine what that could look like in congress in 20 years?

    They will grow and learn and their world will be different than mine. That is a good thing.
    • Aug 29 2012: Could you say more about what you observe in your office? More about entitled behaviors? thanks!
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        Aug 29 2012: Mostly what is apparent in David's post. It's not my fault, I can't do it, it's my parents(society, culture, governments) fault. Everything sucks and YOU are the problem. So fix it.

        I am in higher ed and students feel because their parents pay tuition and they show up for class that they deserve a good grade. They don't have an understanding of accountability and expect everyone else to fix things for them. Because they ask (plead, crying, cajole, scream) And when we don't, mom and dad are next at my door pleading, cajoling, threatening.

        My kids even say 'Mom you have another crying student on the phone.'

        They think they are entitled to the answers on the test too! They keep asking for exam reviews and want to know what is on the test. They don't necessarily care about learning and achieving (not all of them but more in this generation than previous. I don't want to generalize too much.) Some have never had to achieve before or work at studying or crack a book.

        Don't get me wrong, I know the problem stems from way beyond what happens in my office. I am lucky because i find all this humorous. And take great pleasure in explaining to everyone that the failure was not on our part. The process however is very time consuming and the students and parents have to process many emotions. I know this and I take the time to help. They usually get it and then my job is to help them strategize what to do after a failure. For many of them this is their first time. They don't understand that it is OK to fail, its what you do next that counts.

        They feel entitled to succeed and have never dealt with anything not going their way before.
        • Aug 30 2012: Can you put a rough percentage on the entitled vs. the responsible for themselves students? I'm guessing that when they move on to adult roles like a full-time job and parenting they learn to take responsibility? Have you been able to follow any of your students after graduation? Thanks!
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        Sep 1 2012: I really can't give a percentage but I can illustrate. I took my dtr to college a couple years back. The school had a very good orientation program. They separated the parents from the students at intake so the parents would not be present when the student registered. Instead they took us to an auditorium and explained FERPA to us. That parents had no rights to see students grades. About 30 percent of the room was aghast. And the gentleman behind me said something to the effect that if he was paying the tuition, he better be able to see his son's grades. The questions from the parents where crazy. Like how were they supposed to monitor if the student got their homework in on time if they could not see coursework or grades. Homework! I was really surprised. They wanted real time access to all their students coursework. I really understood how controlling their parents were that day. For me, this was a big surprise as this was a small midwest college that was heavily populated by children of alumni. Frankly, I am not sure it is the students who are responsible for the whole entitlement attitude.

        It doesn't matter though because I still deal with it. And your question about learning responsibility. They either learn it or they do not graduate. We have it as an outcome and it is measured.
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    Aug 28 2012: How can they be more informed and yet ignorant? Fascinating question.

    I do not think they can Unless WE just do not like their choice of action and simply label them ignorant.
  • Aug 28 2012: Fun idea. They can get some of that learning about other cultures online, right?
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      Aug 28 2012: Not really,one can write about something but ones got to live it to know it,Heck i don't think video is any closer as it would always be skewed to the camera mans point of view,we just got to get the world to agree to build a planet wide fast rail system that's practically free for the kids.
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    Aug 28 2012: I had this strange idea this morning,our minds are global but not our bodies,maybe we have to shift our kids around the planet,three months study in Egypt,three months in China,three months in South Africa Ya da Ya da Ya da,this way our young truly experience the cultural diversity of our world and possibly change future possible conflicts as we pass away and they take over.
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      Aug 28 2012: I think most kids would go for this. Heck, can I be a chaperone or teacher or something?
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      Aug 29 2012: Sign me up!
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    Aug 28 2012: You ask so many questions, I can only reply briefly to some.

    1. The reason for being better informed about other cultures but ill-informed about climate change may be a focus on the present rather than on the future, an issue common across age groups.
    2. I think youth may have an exaggerated idea of the negativity of adults toward them. In my observation, most of us are highly encouraged by what young people are like and see all sorts of promise in them. Delinquency in youth is probably no more prevalent than delinquency among adults.
    3. I think Americans tend to think more about the short run than the long run. I think rebelliousness, impatience, and openness to change are a long-standing part of the culture. Irreverance and criticism of leadership of every kind are also a long-standing part of the culture.
    4. I don't know anything about little emperors.
    5. I don't know anything about the culture of the Facebook company, but I think wealthy young people typically are very eager to help others and to be entrepreneurial but also are very interested in smart phones, ipads, and material possessions.
    6. I don't know whether the generation gap has narrowed.
    • Aug 30 2012: About #2, there are many books blaming youth: The negative slant comes from Professor Jean Twinge (Generation Me and The Narcissism Epidemic), Professor Mark Bauerlein (The Dumbest Generation), and Christian Smith et al. (Lost in Transition: The Dark Side of Emerging Adulthood). For example, the authors of Lost in Transition paint a picture of young adults as moral relativists who focus on consuming rather than doing good, are politically apathetic, and drink too much alcohol followed by casual “hooking up.” Author Mike Males list the myths about violent, drugged, morally challenged US youth, and defends the reality of good youth behavior. He blames the myths on adult bad behavior. He ascribes adult fear as partially due to the increasingly multi-racial and less affluent youth. Males maintains that, “The rapidly deteriorating behavior of American grownups (particularly aging Baby Boomers) in both personal and social realms has led to a crisis of adulthood in which youth is the target of displaced fury.” Don Tapscott also believes that the reason for the harsh and nasty criticism of youth is a generation gap with the individualistic and self-centered Baby Boomers. They are afraid of change that youth bring with their use of electronic media and ability to collaborate. Therefore they criticize youth for being “dull, celebrity-obsessed, net-addicted, shopaholic exhibitionists.”
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        Aug 30 2012: Your reference to the "deteriorating behavior" of grownups, and I would not say just American grownups, is what I meant when I said that , taken in broad view, delinquent behavior is not necessarily more common among youth. Some aspects must still be, but not when we take a large view.

        Like Linda, I teach students across a wide range of ages and have done so for decades. When it comes to entitled attitudes and so forth, I have found the parents often more of a challenge than the students.

        I would say that in popular discussion I have heard two perspectives about equally. One is the hopefulness that the young will help birth the change Everyone wants, assisted by the resources to learn and collaborate that technology brings. Second is the notion that the young are less creative than previous generations because of a preoccupation with entertainment and because schools do not adequately foster creativity (though to my mind, it would be hard to argue that modern curriculum fosters creativity less than the curricula to which the generations before them were exposed!)