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Tibetan Self-immolation.........

More than, 50 self-immolations happened in inside Tibet, the slogans of these self-immolators’ are: “Tibetan need Human Right inside Tibet, His Holiness the Dalai Lama Back to Tibet, and Free Tibet”. Such big numbers of self-immolations happened under the UNO human right act, but there is no any action taken by the U.N.O and other human right committees. I don't understand why international not act on human rights of Tibet, and not truly do something about on the Tibetan self-immolation and Tibet Issue. I need you and international human right Lovers act on it and say something about on it..........
Chinese Government always closed talking about on this topic, because there are afraid on it, and no has such power to talk about on the truth and human right...
My profile picture is those who are self-immolate for the Truth and Human Right of Six Million Tibetans around the world.
Please support the Tibet issues and Self-immolators wish…

  • Aug 18 2012: While many of us would like to help (self included), we are small in number, but we are out here. I agree the Dalai Lama might need to be back in Tibet, but from what I see, he is doing a wonderful job from where he is at. I know of no human, who represents a belief, that is more caring then the Dalai Lama. Compassion is his middle name. As long as he is in the spot light, Tibet will be too.
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    Aug 23 2012: The only way for this issue to resolve itself, is for the Chinese people to appeal to their government. What can any nation do? Almost everyone disagrees with Chinese policy in Tibet, but to force the Chinese to do anything, is like to try and force America into anything... You're dealing with a nuclear power.

    You're talking about millions dying, if any direct action is taken. The Tibetan people, need to move Chinese citizens on this issue, who then need to pressure the government. There is nothing someone outside China and Tibet can do without causing far more death and destruction. You don't tell a dragon what to do, you appeal to self interest...
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      Aug 24 2012: Yeah,i thought that 5 years ago.

      In those years have we seen the UN deliver any ultimatum? instead we see China admitted to the council,yes i am talking about thousands walking into the gun if that is their only avenue they have left before they are bred out.They were invaded in recent times not 100 years ago, we might see mass immolation's in the future.
      • Jon Ho

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        Aug 27 2012: "they can gather in mass numbers and walk arms linked into the waiting guns,mass death will be the only way to slap the worlds face for picking and choosin"

        50 people have already immolated themselves and nobody gave a damn. You're advocating that they immolate themselves in larger groups, 1000 immolating themselves together at the same time? Whose compassion are they trying to implore?

        The UN? Heh, China IS UN. Or rather, China is in UN, and its other buddy nation will never rock the boat and risk a nuclear warfare when push comes to shove.

        The Chinese? Heh, not only will Tibetan mass immolation fail gain compassion with the Chinese, they will encourage it some more because it saves them all the dirty work! I mean these are the same people who had already killed 2 million Tibetan in death camps, random shootings and whatnots. Mass immolation is just helping them finish their genocidal mission earlier.
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          Aug 27 2012: After thinking about what you said Jon.

          I would organize exiles in three's to immolate outside Chinese embassies sitting in the lotus position,monks in full dress preferably around the planet all on one day,it's not terrorism, it's defiance as a people slowly loses their culture,those immolaters that have gone didn't give a hoot at asking yours or my permission to do what they did and do you think they would if they were asked?

          Do you think they are going to stop? A younger generation is replacing the old exiles and from all reports if a people start feeling their is no hope at any resolution soon then they will do what they think is appropriate for them to do,in this case i'm glad the Tibetans have not chosen terrorism.

          To close this point i'm actually in agreeance with what you've said but i'm not silly to think immolation is going to stop,i don't live at ground zero,i can afford to romantically waft notions of grand sweeping changes,maybe i'm too right side centric.
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        Aug 28 2012: Sadly I'm in agreement with Ken. The only appeal that can be made, is to the hearts and minds of Chinese citizens. There is a part of me that wishes America would do more, but there is also a part of me who understands why we, really can't....

        Chinese citizens have souls, just like everyone else. The protest might not seem effective, but I assure you people are talking about it. Change is a slow and painful process, especially when dealing with someone you can't intimidate. "If one can not be both, it is better to be feared than loved"
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          Aug 29 2012: For the record I do not condone violence as a means of solving problem; never has, never will. I am a firm believer that there is always a better way to solve things.

          In this situation, I really don't agree with Ken though, because it's not solving the problem... instead, it aggravates it, helping the Chinese to kill Tibetan faster.

          My solution was through subterfuge. I wrote earlier
          'First, find out who controls China. Yes yes, I know China is a communist country, but there must be a committee or an assembly of leaders who dictates the general direction and policy. Once you find out who they are, plant your own people who can get close to these group of policy makers. The final step is to influence these policy makers thinking by appealing to their sense of compassion or subtly affect these policy makers ideas about Tibetan genocide.'

          This method can be bolstered with your ideas of appealing to the Chinese citizen's 'souls'. Although I seriously doubt they have souls, see
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          Aug 29 2012: Jon i'm with you and what David has said.

          This online aspect of myself is emotionally invested because i know what it's like to almost lose my own language and cultural ways,the only difference is is that some of us woke up and began to teach the very young,i don't blame the "White man" or the old empire, it was just the way it was at that time and the fact that we had embraced the system without realizing that we almost lost ourselves though many an activist within my peoples political system will fervently disagree with my view.

          In a way i wish my people were more like the Tibetan in a cultural sense,there is a sense of an old quiet strength about them as opposed to the ever ready violent nature of my own,again this is a personal view not an actual peoples view.
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    Aug 21 2012: Seriously?

    Tell me, what are you guys trying to achieve through self immolation? If you are trying to send out some kind of message, I'm afraid it's not working my friend. Normal human beings will give up and try another avenue after the first few immolation. But 50? And right under the UNO Human Rights Act? Seriously?

    For starters, you said 'I don't understand why international not act on human rights of Tibet'. That is a HUGE clue my friend. Instead of stockpiling more human into the great pyre, why not, I don't know, ask UNO 'why they can't interfere regarding the situation in Tibet?'

    The thing is, we all know why, and I suspect, you do too, when you said 'Chinese Government always closed talking about on this topic'. Only you chose not to admit it. Either that or I'm assuming too much, heh.
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      Aug 23 2012: Corrected- Jon

      I don't advocate terrorism as at the time of our countries small struggles we were few in number and acting in small tribal groups over a 20 year period,there was some instances of violence that resembles terrorism but in the end it took numbers and our own people working against those groups to close that chapter of history.

      I have no idea why China wants Tibet or why we the world actively allow it to continue and as you said they are a peaceful people but even a peaceful people can take only so much.If they won't raise a finger then they can gather in mass numbers and walk arms linked into the waiting guns,mass death will be the only way to slap the worlds face for picking and choosing who it believes is worth it and who isn't.

      I have no idea why China is doing what it is doing and it seems odd for such an old culture to lower itself to such a level,Ten thousand years as they say,instead we see this happening.
  • Sep 6 2012: Genocide has a very specific definition. Are you saying that is applicable here? OKAY, I didn't think that was the case. I'm not saying it was fair what happened to Tibet. The global community isn't going to blow up the world over Tibet. You don't expect us to do so.
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      Sep 17 2012: If you are saying that what the Chinese is doing to the Tibetan's isn't genocide then wow, they have done a very good job at covering their tracks, sir. Chinese policies have involved the extermination of more than 1 million Tibetans, the forced relocation of millions of Tibetan villagers and nomads, the population transfer of millions of Chinese settlers, and systematic assimilation.

      The Chinese motto is similar to Edward Longshanks in the film Braveheart "If we can't get them out, we'll breed them out."
  • Aug 26 2012: Sad to say. Things are what they are. REality is not always fair. Tibet was what it was. Now it is what it is inside China. This is a classic negotiation problem. Get the best deal that you can Tibet.
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      Sep 4 2012: Indeed. Unfortunately this is not negotiation; it's genocide.
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    Aug 22 2012: Regardless of the ultimate sacrifice of those self immolation's in the end Tibet might just have to fight,my people tried passive protests,sit-ins,all the usual ways of peaceful protests 150 years ago and it got us nowhere, so small bands began fighting but because we were disorganized and traditionally at odds with each other we failed to change things to benefit both us and the incoming colonists,we weren't interested in chasing them off but wanted them to honour their treaty.
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      Aug 22 2012: Ahh, interesting.

      150 years ago, colonist, treaty... hmmm, let me guess, you're from Oceania? New Zealand, Tonga, Fiji, Samoa, I'm not sure which, but more or less somewhere there, I presume?

      Perhaps you might want to elaborate more about your country's problem and its resolution, and Mr Pemci Zamyou here may apply it to his situation.
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        Aug 22 2012: New Zealand John.

        It didn't work and neither did any sort of peaceful measure tried either through the court system of that era or any sort of passive protest, then the 20th century hit and the empire broke up.

        The difference with Tibet is that it's not trying to change the world from one religion nor is it trying to acquire more land or is it trying to ship colonists into another territory.If they decide to fight they have the right on their side in the eye's of the world,it's a different world in today's century,you can lock down a part of the communication system but not the individual with a phone.China doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to having any moral excuse for being in Tibet whatsoever other than it's own agenda.

        Until China starts taking notice of what the world wants nothing will help the Tibetans.
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          Aug 23 2012: Aha! Right on the first try! Aotearoa, land of the long white clouds. Love the country! Never been there. PS: my name is Jon, not John, heee

          Anyways, you're saying time and serendipity is how your country 'solved' its problem? Oh boy, I don't think Tibetans have such luxury. Especially when genocidal programs are being systematically carried out by China like forcing Tibetans to adhere to strict birth control programs that included forced abortions, sterilizations, and even infanticide. To date, I think 1/3 of the Tibetan has been wiped out?

          I have a couple of solutions for Pemci.

          The first one is simple, effective, tried and through methods. Ever heard of Afghanistan? Remember when Russia tried to invade Afghanistan? Tibet could adopt a violent pose and fight back. Only problem is Tibet is a theocracy, and taking the life of another even in self defense is considered bad karma, so they most probably will not go this route.

          The second method is through subterfuge. First, find out who controls China. Yes yes, I know China is a communist country, but there must be a committee or an assembly of leaders who dictates the general direction and policy. Once you find out who they are, plant your own people who can get close to these group of policy makers. The final step is to influence these policy makers thinking by appealing to their sense of compassion or subtly affect these policy makers ideas about Tibetan genocide.

          Are you getting all this Pemci?
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    Aug 18 2012: I salute your passion and your caring nature.
    The Dali Lama is under attack exactly where he is and I do not see any advantage in forcing him to walk into the clutches of those who do not care when 50 people self immolate.

    I , like much of the world, see self-immolators as a kin to suicide bombers. They are so deluded or confused by their convictions that they believe this will make an impact on the world as a whole or change the reality that they see in one act and in one instant. Many are even braver and spend a life time daring to FEEL and to KNOW and like Ghandi or Mandela they walk with the process to fruition. So perhaps my perspective will help you understand and also help someone else refrain from a sacrifice of self that is at best less effective than they hope.
    • Aug 18 2012: Very well put Debra Smith. You said it much better then I.
      While it would be nice (in a perfect world) to see the Dalia Lama back into Tibet, think of all the wonderful things he has done by not being there. Many (self included) have taken up his path, due in large part, to the compassion elements for all living things. Do I worry if there is a God? But I do worry if I get sand in my eye. I look in a mirror to get it out & see the cause of why the sand got there in the first place. I looked into the sand storm.
  • Aug 18 2012: Pemci,
    We may assume people do not know what to do---at least most of us who are not in government or an active aid organization. What government or other organization is brave enough to take on China? The world is in a poor financial situation right now, except perhaps China, and therefore who wants to go deeper in debt to help Tibet?

    The timing of events and situations is poor to take on more. There is enough threat in the Middle East to concern everyone. Tibet is not a threat and not a big enough problem to attract the world----or is it?

    I don't intend any sort of condescension for you or Tibet; I just wanted to address your deep concern as you say you don't understand why. My comments are meager, perhaps. Others here may have far greater knowledge.

    I do believe you are right to be concerned. Freedom is wonderful when it is balanced in society.

    All-----What can be done for Tibet?