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Is intelligent design science and should it be taught in public schools?

Most definitions of modern science describe a methodology of finding testable explanations of the universe or similar.

I often hear evolution is a theory not a fact. A scientific theory explains the facts and is verifiable or demonstrable. Evolution is one of the most validated theories around.

I propose ID is not science. It is not verifiable and its challenges to evolution. For example the arguments about irreducible complexity have been debunked e.g. a subset of components of the bacterial flagellum are used by some bacteria inject harmful proteins into other cells. There are so many transitional forms scientists argue whether some of them are birds, reptiles or mammals.

To allow ID into science you would need to change the definition of science and drop the testable requirement. This would enable astrology, alchemy and crystal healing alongside astronomy, chemistry and physics.

I also hear the argument why not include all sides of the debate. Scientifically there is no debate. Philosophically, this is akin to suggesting alchemy be taught alongside chemistry, or Greek mythology as history.

I propose it should not. This does not stop parents teaching their kids any religious dogma they choose within the law. But it is not science and religious beliefs have no place being taught in public schools.

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ID is a form of creationism promoted by the Discovery Institute and supported by many evangelical Christians. The Institute defines it as "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

Evolutionary theory is the foundation of modern biology. Whether you want to believe it or not explains the development different species and genetic similarities between species. Essentially gene frequency changes due to natural selection, from less adapted to more adapted. At some stage the divergence of one group may get to the point where they can not interbreed successfully with other related groups or their ancestors ie they become a new species. This is a gradual process, supported by much evidence in the fossil record, DNA and gene analysis.

The key argument for ID is irreducible complexity which proposes the bacterial flagellum, immune system, blood clotting could not have evolved or developed from something similar. They need all the parts to do anything. In all cases it has been proven that these are reducable. They could have evolved.

ID is basically, life is complex, hard to explain, so it must be designed. Read the comments and Í hope you see there is a sound argument that ID has tried to bypass scientific consensus. It is a discredited hypothesis except for those who want to believe. Also, you start to get into mythology when you try and describe and explain the creator for which there is nop verifiable evidence.

While there is no scientific evidence for design, we can not scientifically say the universe isn't. That is a philosophical question. If you value the truth then science can inform faith. We can respect religion except where it is wrong. The universe is not 6,000 years old. Life evolved. We should not make special exceptions to promote falsehoods in schools. Our children deserve better. If our growing understanding makes some beliefs obsolete, so be it

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  • Aug 18 2012: Look. Public education is in the toilet. I send my kids to school well beyond what their peers are doing. Whose fault is that? Other kids might feel slow or dumb around them because they learned to write and spell before preschool. My daughter sat on lap through three semesters of online classes and paid attention. She has an intrinsic comprehension of math, she speaks French and Spanish and picks up other languages very fast. She'll be tall enough to advance a class and not stand out. These are the concerns of Academics.Let's be honest, if the Greek god system hadn't divided the Greek government, we'd all still be heathens. The need for unified religion was a desperate act to maintain control over the Roman Empire that was about to fall the same way Greece did and at the hands of the same gods. So God sent his only begotten son to die on the cross for all us sinners and save the Roman Empire from ruin? I kinda doubt that last part...just google the word "Vatican" and there is something nasty attached to it.
    Anyways, I have worshipped everything I could to find that thing that I was missing. All it took in the end was worshipping a woman who blessed me with two kids that saved my life and filled that empty spot. My cup runneth over!
    I don't think the Vatican even support creationism anymore...didn't they open up to the idea of Alien beings? Oh yeah. Yup! It's okay to believe in aliens now, because the Vatican says so. Gosh I hope there are no Catholics in here...what am I saying - they mourn their faith. (Shut Up Kevin Smith and get out of my head with your Dogma!)
    Anyways, for those "believers" out there who have to cling to a man's robe to feel connected to God - you're groupies. Don't get offended! Most people are. We are social groupies! And for those of you who think you have a right to shove your ideals down my kids throat, you better watch yourself...intelligent design is something people do, and I designed these kids to be very intelligent. ;)
    God Bless ya!
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      Aug 18 2012: Thanks for the comment J.
      Catholic and Anglican higher ups accept evolution.
      They don't talk about it much.
      The Cardinal of Sydney made of fool of himself on TV with Dawkins trying to explain when a spirit might have been injected during the process of evolution.
      We don't need a magic spirit to have a human soul and magical life
      Sometimes its the people in our life that make a difference.
      Maybe nearly always.
      I'm going out to fill my cup.
      Cheers

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