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Multiple Education Systems in One Single Country: Productive or Counter-Productive?

"It is 3 am now. You should go get some sleep, son" my mom told me as I sat on the sofa, with legs stretched, reading lessons on world history.
"Mom, you know what if i don't get good grades I wont make it to college". I said, with heavy eyes.
This was the every night scenario in my house when I was appearing for my 10th Board Exams. If you are an Indian, you know the horror of Board exams and if you aren't, I will sum it up in one line: Your life depends on the results of these exams.
There are two systems of education in India : The Central and The State. In Central system, all the schools affiliated to the Central Board will have a common curriculum. As for the state, all the schools affiliated to the State Board will have same curriculum. And the number of state boards equals the number of states in the country.
Doesn't sound all that bad until you find out the fact that all the Colleges are affiliated to the boards of their respective states.
Here is where the problem arises: A student moving from the Central system to a college faces multiple issues. You may have scored 90% under Central system (which generally has more advanced curriculum compared to state) and there are students from State system with 90% score. All the students, at the time of admission, are judged based on their % score while disregarding the curriculum.

What was the story at the start for: Well, I knew I was going from Central system to the state system so I had to work hard to prepare for any 'tremors' I may face at the ti me of admission. I MUST have a very high % score or else....
So my question here is: Are you in favor of such a system? Also, does your country have such a system?

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  • Sep 11 2012: i think my thought with the "politicians cant see the need to change", was: All arround the world Economy is at a low, so the politiciant sees the "linear" education system as something that works. And it has been working for at least 100 years. Therefore can't the politicians see the need to change the education system, simply because it is still working.
  • Aug 15 2012: Maybe one can do a Gandhi and go outsidce the system See Ganhi's autobiogrphy
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    Aug 13 2012: strangely, your problem is not that you have too many systems, but rather too few. in an ideal arrangement, *every* school is a separate system with their own curriculum and scoring system. of course, they are free to adopt a common system, or some conversion tables between them if it is useful. but we need to corrective forces of the free education market to set all these things right. we need thousands of different approaches, of which everyone can choose that suits him best.

    yet again, common sense beats the "state logic". we as average pedestrians value an online course, life experience or reading a good book as forms of education. we accept interviews or tests a valid way of evaluating knowledge, as opposed to official documents. but until education is freed, we have to fit in the government regulated monolithic, multi year, formalized education systems that benefit no one.
    • Aug 15 2012: I agree with you totally!
    • Sep 10 2012: like Fasih Khatib i agree with your idea, but it cant simply be done. It would take an incredible amount of ressources for this idea to come to life. In Denmark we have free education and we even get paid for it! but that doesn't help that we still have the same old linear system that we had 50 years ago. The politicians can't see the need to change something which isn't broken, sadly.
      But hopefully thinkers like Sir Ken Robinson can change their minds.


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        Sep 10 2012: "In Denmark we have free education" but then later "The politicians can't see the need to change"

        if education is free, what difference does it make what politicians think?
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        Sep 10 2012: ah i see now. you mean free as free of charge, not as unregulated.

        yes, it is easy to take money, and provide something to all. the hard thing is to provide high quality. it needs constant trial and error, and lot of creativity. not something the government can do.
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    Aug 13 2012: In the US things are similar, but different. Our scores of note are SAT scores, if you score in the 95th percentile you can get into most good schools. We also have 2 systems public, and private. In the public school system, there are national standards, and state standards, this is funded for by tax money, mostly at the local level.

    In the private school system, you can teach almost any way you want, because people are paying to learn. All religious institutions are private, but so are all cutting edge high performing institutions. In general, private schools are better, and because people must pay to attend, they create a form of classism, which seperates rich from poor. Upside, downside.

    Luckily both systems use the SAT's, and while public school children typically do not do as well... If you do, it's actually a bit more impressive.

    The idea that a single test can determine your entire life, sounds like nonsense, but really think about it. Society has been trying to educate you for 12 years or so... If 50% of the people in your class learned more than you did... should you really be a doctor?

    Lots of people will say... "Of course, anyone can be a doctor"... I say "Do you want the 50th percentile guy operating on your brain tumor?"

    Having different tests doesn't sound like a good idea, and sounds unfair, but testing in general, and high pressure being applied to children might be a neccessary evil.
    • Aug 13 2012: I disagree on the doctor part. You know that public schools have a not-so-advanced curriculum, there may be other people who know that, for sure (open secret). So a kid in public who knows that can start studying more advanced curriculum on his own. Now when he finally makes it to Med school, he shouldn't be denied admission.
      Besides, most undergrad courses have a curriculum that assumes no prior knowledge of the topic.
      I agree that the guy from private school might have edge over the public school kid but its not that guy from public school can't take lead.
      Now for the 'rich and poor are different' philosophy being spread, now that need to be opposed.
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        Aug 13 2012: Actually, I think you misunderstand one part. It is an "open secret", so we do a good job of not denying people from public school admission. I agree, this is a good thing. It's one we got right.

        It is however, the benefit of one standard test. Since there is only one test, the motivated child in public school, can take the lead and learn what they need to, in order to excel, and get into a great university, or med school, we have a similar one test for that, the MCAT.

        Rich and poor philosophy, is not working well for us, and we are trying to change it.

        Think about the doctor analogy hard though. The student who learns 70-75% of the information on the test, lands in the 50th percentile. They knew the test was coming, and most of them had access to the material to prepare for the test. The people in the 90th percentile, learned 95-100% of the information.

        Would you really rather have a doctor who learns 70-75% of the information he is asked to learn, and has access to? I understand if you would, but I would suggest that is the emotional part of your mind talking, not the rational.
        • Aug 13 2012: So you are saying that these kids study hard only for the exam (mug it up) and get good grades rather than actually understanding it?
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        Aug 15 2012: I am saying the ones who choose to study hard and get good grades, in either system, do well on the test. The ones who choose not to study hard, and get poor grades, do poorly on the test.

        When choosing a doctor, lawyer, or engineer, I would rather have the child who studied hard, got good grades, and did well on the test. They understand the material.

        If more students who do poorly on the tests, are allowed to become doctors, doctors will become cheaper, and more plentiful. It's a trade, you get cheaper medicine, and more doctors, with worse results, and more mistakes, because you let people who don't study hard, or know the material, call themselves doctors.
  • Aug 12 2012: You're not happy with the system. Doesn't sound fair to me based on what you have written. Play the system the best you can.
    • Aug 13 2012: Yes, sir. Trolling and rolling!