- Yuri Gomez
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What is the source of all this trouble?
The trouble of our days is an increasing imbalance of not only man and nature, but among peoples, as well as within people, themselves.
What is the source of all this trouble?
David Bohm said: The source is basically in thought. Many people would think that such a statement is crazy, because thought is the one thing we have with which to solve our problems. That's part of our tradition. Yet it looks as if the thing we use to solve our problems with is the source of our problems.
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Lawren Jones 10+
I believe that within the next thirty years or so, space colonization may rekindle that common purpose - or perhaps the Internet might unite us, as it seems to be doing in the middle east.
Yuri Gomez
"without a common focus, we begin to splinter off into smaller groups". In Bohm's work, what you mention above is the nature of thought, wich is fragmentation.
natasha nikulina 50+
Can ' fragments' or data, when there are a great great number of those recreate a notion
of the Whole ? I mean, can a lot of ' knowing about' become a new knowing ?
Thanks !
Yuri Gomez
Well, according to what I experienced, the accumulation of knowledge doesnt create a new kind. But if we are sensitive enough, insights can happen that gives us new understanding. but even with a new understanding, thought can not grasp Wholeness. On Bohm's words "thought is limited because thought is to select limited abstractions from the world" but "Nothing that is limited can exist without the unlimited".
"Wholeness needs to be sensed as an insight into the unlimited, beyond what thought can grasp".
Maybe that's why spiritual teachings tell us that in order to grasp wholeness we have to get out of all thought.
natasha nikulina 50+
But...
Bohm was not contemplating on the nature of reality, watching the motion of the sand dunes... but he came up with the same revelation about the priority of a whole over the part. " Nothing has independent existences apart from anything else " Q. M revelations resonate with mystic insights " the seer is the seen " and sacred teachings all over the genre. Maybe knowledge has the 'point of transition', where the quantity( when it is enough ) irredeemably changes the quality of the substance ?
Don't take me wrong, i am not debating with you, i try to understand :)
Thanks for responding !
Yuri Gomez
Well, The proccess of transition of our days can be described that way, but as far as I know, great masters of the past, didn't need the factual accumulation of knowledge to gain wholeness insights. So seems to be another factor that can make revelation happen.
According to his own description, Bohm was contemplating on the nature of reality, but up to a quantum level :D
natasha nikulina 50+
"....to end where we started and look at the place for the first time "
Was it a purpose or just natural Ying / Yang dance ? :)
natasha nikulina 50+
Still, thinking means something, not only it is what we do , it means something for the universe we inhabit. Shamans sang, to bring the world into existence, we think to do the job.:)
Yuri Gomez