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What would have made the Occupied Movement successful as an attempt by our young adults to make things change for the better?

My son is a follower of the Occupied Movement as a recent college graduate who found it very difficult to find a job in his field of study. I first learned of his passion for the Occupied when viewing his FB entry of a utube video of the Newsies scene when the boys first become organized and decide to strike. His comment "this says it all". So, for his 23rd birthday, I took him to see Newsies on Broadway. It now has a cult following based on what the Occupied stands for. But what does the Occupied stand for? Where are they now? Why aren't they organized enough to drive change in our society? Where is the energy and passion of our youth to rebel against what is wrong in society? And why did it end up to be just a group of homeless people that had no direction?

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    Jul 21 2012: OWS, Occupy Wall Street, was a political rally for Obama and a rage against the 1%ers. It was designed by a political organizer in England. It was not doing to well and the union joined in and dedicated people to stage protests, the protests became more and more individual issues and soon the original intent was all but forgotten. The news media interviewed thousands of protesters and show over and over that there was no central thread.

    MY OPINION: College kids are political pons and after they vote the party has no more use for them. The have been in a university setting and have no life experiences to balance against the socialist indoctrination of the teachers. My kids told me that they were told that Obama was the cure for America and that was how they should vote by a professor in class. I wrote the school and the administration did not see a problem.

    We could go back to Carter and Clinton and their demands of banks to make loans to ineligable people. We could say that Obama has spent more in two years that the last seven presidents total in all their terms. We could discuss the socialist approach that we cannot afford and is bankrupting us. But it would all fall on deaf ears. From Susans reply to Pat below I am sure it is all the mans fault.

    What would really be great is if we could pull this argument up when all of you are old enough and have some real life experiences to contribute to the conversation. Been there. Done that. The taste of eating all of those words is not pleasant. The only cure for what you have is time.

    All the best. Bob.
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    Jul 23 2012: They could have brought forward some ideas worth sharing and implementing. They could have picked a more strategic target than capitalism. They could have operated within the law. They could have stood for reasonable solutions to their perceived problems, rather than advocating the replacement of capitalism with a socialist redistribution of wealth and massive increases in government intrusion into business. They could have paid the tiniest tribute to what is worth saving in America. They could have been cleaner and less vulgar in their events. They could have used the press coverage to raise awareness regarding their point, their purpose. They could have discovered if there is any merit to their complaint, whatever it might be. They could have kept people like the Aurora Colorado theater mass murderer out of their ranks. They could have been a contender, a voice of reason and hope for America. But they didn't.
    • Jul 23 2012: And so could have Penn State.

      I know what OWS didn't do. I was hoping to find out from a young adult who was involved in OWS why he/she felt things fell through.

      I don't agree with socialism, but capitalism that has gone unchecked decade after decade with taxation loopholes has caused the America of the free and home of the brave with little more than a cast system. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Graduates coming out of College in today's society have so few choices; the lucky few get a job in their field of study; those who simply want to get any job cannot because the older generation has been forced to work after retirement in positions usually held by high school and college workers; they decide to go back to schol for their masters (which only exasperates the loan issues and now they will be over qualified) or they remain unemployed. Yet they have been exploited by high interest loans and the deadened belief in the American Dream. Why is the cost of college soaring while the benefits of a college education are dwindling? The pendulum is swinging the wrong way!

      And, why do you think that James Eagan Holmes was a member of OWS? That was just a mean thing to say.
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        Jul 24 2012: Perhaps you should have worded your question as exclusively for "young adults who were involved in OWS why they think things feel through." The way you actually did word your question was nothing like what you say you were looking for, so you shouldn't be surprised that non-young, anti-OWS people like me responded.
        As for OWS including the Colorado theater mass-murderer in their membership, just do an internet search like "Holmes Black Bloc member." I didn't make it up. If true, is it mean to mention it? Should it be hidden?
  • Jul 22 2012: So what is fair? a 7.5% loan for school when mortgages are at 3%? So much for caring for our youth, our legacy, their dreams.......
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    Jul 20 2012: What was the purpose?

    If they are protesting not being able to get a job, they succeeded.

    They were pointing out the banksters were to blame which makes me wonder who put them up to this meme?

    They surely did not get their degree in economics unless it was from professors like Elizabeth Warren.
    • Jul 20 2012: With mortgage interest rates lower than student loans, with corporate America owning for profit colleges that cater to the poorer student to make large amounts of money, with all the funny money Asset Backed Securities and the bail out of Wall really don't think its the bankers? Really? This depressed economy is from poor fiscal management on all levels. And why on earth, should someone looking to start a future not "blame" corporate america for what they left for them...which is?
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        Jul 20 2012: I could explain but no matter I say you won't hear me.
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        Jul 20 2012: it is actually fascinating that the debate is ongoing for like ... don't know, decades? and you pretend that you never ever heard about the opposing opinion?
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    Jul 20 2012: The Occupy Movement has, I believe, been successful as a manifestation of frustration. Not only those participating actively but also every person who has been unemployed or is underemployed, shares this frustration. Homeless people are often frustrated as well.

    Policymakers and those with influence are well aware of this, which is why turning the economy around is high on every politician's wish list and talking points.

    Change-making, however, requires more than understanding and communicating that there is a problem, a pain-causing problem. It requires also a rigorous analysis of solutions, which includes both the potential benefits and the potential costs.

    Those who raise awareness that people are hurting often are not the same people who are best equipped to undertake the rigorous policy analysis that is required to solve the problems to which they bring attention.

    Problems can be much harder to solve than they appear superficially.
    • Jul 20 2012: Absolutely agree with your position that problems are much harder to solve than to express frustration over. This is why I want to hear from folks who actually participated as to what their objective is/was. If it was just to express frustration, then you are right, they accomplished what they set out to do. My question, really, is why weren't they more organized to analyze and promote change within the system?
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        Jul 20 2012: Here are some hypotheses. 1)Most people who have the time and energy to participate in Occupy Wall Street do not have the analytical background and information about the problem in all its complexity that would be required to generate solutions that would survive rigorous analysis. This situation does not have to do with a lack of organization. Highly organized, well and appropriately educated people are also having trouble figuring out the best policies to implement.
        We tend not to recognize how complex some problems are and to ascribe the lack of ready solutions to people's counter-incentives, to character flaws, and to ignorance. In fact some problems are difficult even for those in the best position to analyze the options.
        2)Working within the system has always taken a lot of courage. Disowning a struggling system and smuggly blaming it are easier.
        • Jul 22 2012: But what about dedication to a cause,feeling and believing? I mean intuition tells me its wrong. Why not fight for what you believe? I Isn't that what America is based on? Why politics, why Obama...reverence no I don't think so. Its time for change for our youth. After all, wasn't that the premise of America... every generation gets more than the last ?? We work, we send our children to college...and now its for what? I t affects me too. I have written letters to both my senators.. Why oh why, because I make over 80K a year as single am I not able to take the college deduction? So not fair. I worked to make more money for my kids as a single mom from ages 4 and 5. And yet. I get no tax I am paying college bills that I shouldn't be.
        • Jul 22 2012: You have to work within the system to change the system. I had done it!