- Maximilian Thomas
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Community!
How nice would it be to live in a place where all the products you used came from local producers and manufactures, where people greeted you when you passed by, where the people in your township came together for those who need the extra hand. I am talking about community!
Over the past 50 years it seems that the community that held people together in the United States has disappeared. As manufactures move overseas to find cheaper prices and the church becomes more and more distant, the people of America change their focus from their communities to themselves.
My passion is to bring community back to America. I would love to hear some suggestions and ideas on to how to make this happen. Anyone who would be interested in joining the journey, please do not hesitate to contact me. All my contact information can be found on my profile page.
So please any suggestions or ideas would be amazing!
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Krisztián Pintér 200+
one blast furnace per community? one microchip factory per community? one car factory per community? how could that possibly work?
Maximilian Thomas
Krisztián Pintér 200+
hint: http://www.ted.com/talks/matt_ridley_when_ideas_have_sex.html
Maximilian Thomas
Each seperate community creates the produce and products that they are able to make. The consumer buys the produce and products from both the community they live in and (for all of the produce and products not made in that community) buys everything else from the other communities. Remember that all of the communities are inside of the United States.
An example will make this a little clearer.
So there are three towns within the United States; Town A, Town B, Town C (obviously this is a very, very small scale, but I am using it for clarity.)
Town A makes Corn. Town B makes Cabbage. Town C was Squash.
So the consumer of Town A buys the corn from Town A (this is the local part). But he was wants Cabbage and Squash. So he must go to (when I say go to I do not mean literally, assume all of these items are sold in a grocery store) Town B and C is get these items.
I hope this is more clear to you.
Krisztián Pintér 200+
1. if town A produces product A, then people there can not choose product A from another producer that is cheaper or better. they have to spend more on worse products.
2. limits competition for goods that can be locally produced. if i produce wheat, i can easily form a cartel with other local wheat producers, and raise prices. shops can't simply buy wheat in the next town. producers will have the power to decide, as opposed to the customer.
3. the entire idea affects only minority of goods. or ... zero? today, everything is intertwined. a farmer uses vehicles, fertilizers, tools that can only be made in huge factories, and have extremely convoluted production pathways from ores and mineral oil through plastics and steel to final products.
4. i don't see why we try to cripple the economy in order to create or promote something that has nothing to do with the economy, namely how people deal with each other. if only forced economic relations can keep a community together, that community is not worth keeping together.
pat gilbert 50+
Which is terrific because you can get a lot of money and you can enforce your delusions about the produce of the aforementioned townships.
Not the least of which is admiration which your subjects will adorn you with this commodity and hang on every word of the sacred now your suppose to's.
Of course there will be a few recalcitrant decenters but as long as I can keep the majority all will be swell.
Sound implausible? Au contraire the last czar of produce (think czar of CRA) is going into retirement as he no longer can fool his constituents after his shenanigans with the CRA and now his solution called the financial reform act which is also mammoth and supposed to fix his previous faux pas. Would this be an example of rothbard's ideas?
Doesn't matter somebody get Nero some rosin for his fiddle.
Maximilian Thomas
The United States is comprised of several regions that are connect through climate and geography. The towns within each of these regions are able to make specific goods and services. Many of the towns within these regions will make/produce similar, if not the same, products. Within each of these regions there are a large number of towns and cities.
To start off with competition will still remain. Yes there may be one specific region that is producing a good, but there are several different companies within that region that are all competing to have their version of the product bought.
Secondly, one both rose the point that a "cartel" could create a monopoly out of the system. There are several points I could make about this, but the most important thing to realize is that this is the United States; there are specific laws and regulations put in place so this very thing (cartels) does not happen. If a company does seem to slip through the cracks of the laws, the government is often fast to act against them, often times resulting in a break up of the company.
Krisztian, I do not really understand your third point. Yes, the system is complex, but if the products can be made, why can they not be applied into the system? We are expecting a very complex system.
I completely disagree with your fourth point. This is something that absolutely effects the economy, and will, in the long run, make the United State economy stronger. Right now a large percentage of manufactoring is being done outside the US. That means the US has become reliant on other countries to build their products. We have lost the infrastructure. Bringing the infrastructure "(manufactoring) back into the US makes the United States less reliant on others and builds a stronger economy.
Krisztián Pintér 200+
the problem with regulation is that it never works as intended, and must grow forever to eliminate the collateral damage it causes. the result is the ever growing power of the state.
about affect on economy: i was talking about the opposite direction. i said that communities can exist without being based on economic relation, so why bother? my exact problem is that you try to create communities though economic means, which might result in better communities, but hurt the economy. so i do agree that it has effect, but the effect is negative.
being reliant is a good thing. in a world economy, division of labor extends beyond borders. the problem is not dependency, but lack of balance. if the US had a zero trade balance, it would matter not that production is outside of the country. it would just mean that the US provides something else, like services or expertise or knowledge in return. the problem today is that the US gives nothing in return, and it will backfire soon. but to solve this, you don't need structural change. you just want the state to stop borrowing and stop expanding the money supply.