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Some seem to know all the answers, before they even know the beliefs behind the Questioner! This leads to long comments and no relevance
Perhaps too often, conversation comments are very long but short on knowledge, or even a good story.
Most of us, are not Scholars, but even if we were, a scholar is only as good as his-her ability to teach. I propose that all good things must be done in an orderly way; otherwise nasty conversation evolves to into a condition, [to use a metaphor] "where one can smell the wood burning."
Debra Smith 200+
Abdelhakim DAHMANI
you're a good teacher, this conversation is an idea "I think" to the "TED Conversations" Become a useful scientific platform, and we can never build this basis if not understand in what way Where we are in conversations.
this idea conduct to an interesting question:
how we understand? and how we answer?
if we define this system, in a simple and practical way, it can be used to advance each discussion to the construction of one or more knowledges.
I not want to complicate things, but I'm sure there are common points in the human SYSTEMS for learning "as the physical structure of the brain"
thank you :)
Don Wesley 50+
I am very pleased to read your contribution to the subject idea.
You are considerate, concise and I believe very clear that you see the need for maximizing the search for a clear problem to solve.
If there are many ideas offered, we can then ask the question which are most likely to succeed, with minimal loss.
A debate can then follow. We can then say we have a little bin of filtered-knowledge to offer. [Free of Dross]
Debra Smith 200+
Your PTSD is hanging out when you accuse me of trying to be nasty, Don. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am sorry that I do not enrich your life, though, for I have reached out to you in your pain several times and been met with short, strong rebuffs. I am nothing if not good learner.
I still will never answer your question, or anyone else's based on my guess of your possition,for it feels dishonest to me to simply mirror back the world you already are certain of.
WL inC
Debra
Don Wesley 50+
Obey No1kinobe 50+
There are many ways to express and explore ideas. Not just Don's way.
The diversity of ideas and expression is what makes TED such a rich experience.
Comments are not all stories, or to teach, well structured arguments or high school essays aiming to meet one persons wants. Nor are they meant to be.
Who made you Judge and Moderator? Acting like you are our primary school teacher. We are all just one person on this site. Who here gets to dictate how ideas are expressed. Who here has the authority to pass judgement on the value of all the ideas and the way they are expressed for everyone participating? How do you know what value the commenter gets from expressing an idea their way, or what value other participants might get from comments you disapprove of. I often find you judging comments negatively that seem interesting to me even if I disagree.
What might not seem relevant to you may be interesting to someone else.
This site is for everyone, not just for one persons entertainment, or to follow one persons approach.
Suggest people stop trying to dictate TED conversations and leave people to express their views and respond the views however they choose within the TED rules.
I respect your right to your opinion and how you express it. I reject your efforts to control, judge and limit the free flow of ideas from others.
You may value a degree of order others find repressive or compliance to your way of commenting that others find dictatorial and restrictive but you do not get to impose it on others. If it was your website, you would, and it would probably be a homogeneous place where everyone agrees.
We don'y all agree with your idea of what is good.That's what helps to make it interesting.
Don Wesley 50+
You can say what you want to.
It will be a lesson.
Obey No1kinobe 50+
Not meant to be a lesson
Obey No1kinobe 50+
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html
We probably see authority and very differently. Maybe also differences in regards to accepting of change and uncertainty.
In Myers Briggs maybe you'd be ISTJ - Duty Fulfiller
Sensing and Judging versus my intuitive and Perceiving
Misusing Hofstede's dimensions, you might be high on power distance, a low tolerance for uncertainty. Whereas I'm quite high on Individualism, very low on power distance (low deference to authority, high egalitarian), and moderate on uncertainty.
I won't go into Freud etc.
In regards to some diversity having a positive effect, If we all thought the same there would be less open minded thinking.
Don Wesley 50+
Your contribution reads like a brief remark from someone who feels he might pass as a psychologist; however your very short profile indicates you are in a business school as of now. I am pleased you didn’t go into Freud.
My expertise is in behaviour science, which provides very useful knowledge for solving business problems. I earned my living providing such service, after selling my own successful manufacturing businesses.
I never looked for work but was always in demand. My intuition continues to grow, as I predict yours will also.
Your psychological description of me is far from being a reliable prediction. My intuition has been excellent for predicting solutions to very complex situations [within several disciplines of knowledge]
I call your attention to TED’s division of conversations; Ideas, Questions and Debates.
I would argue that you are suggesting that any thought from “your stream of consciousness” is good enough to qualify as civil conversation. What are your suggestions for circumscribing conversations?
You may find the following lecture very useful:
Explorations of the Mind: Intuition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dddFfRaBPqg
Debra Smith 200+
Don Wesley 50+
Something over the past few months told me you have an interesting story to tell. I have read some of it.
"Leonard Cohen" that struck a chord.
I am happy to exchange a "Hi," with you.
Other than saying Hi, however I see
No comment; short talk. ... "Rebecca Saxe!"
Debra Smith 200+
If I pander to you and give you an answer based on your faith (which I can do almost better than anyone you know) then in my value system I am not treating you with maximal respect. If however, I share another perspective, trusting you to have the strength and intelligence to use or discard my opinion, I hope that I have enriched your existence somewhat.
You apppear to me to be incredibly single minded and give a message of salvation almost everytime you write. Are you looking at anothe person's need or just your own?
Don Wesley 50+
Thank you for taking the time to respond to this conversation, which I started, right from my heart [free of ego].
I hope my effort pays off with small packages of knowledge. I also work hard to pick up and dispose of the garbage.
I do feel the punch of emotion in your reply which feels nasty.
I simply wondered if you had listened to Rebecca's talk; nothing more.
In response to your remarks, I can reveal that my daily, over-the-table-conversations are with individuals who have many degrees and are Scholars.
I made my own living, selling highly educated and powerful individuals the results of my research and know-how; which immediately increased their financial wealth, by a factor of two and more. In my eightieth year I still study and write almost every waking hour of my existence. I also feel the the pain of suffering, as most all of us do.
Most everything I do is driven by the intention to deliver knowledge for the betterment of all.
I am very engaged (single-minded as you say) in the fight to overcome injustice, and man-made suffering.
My daily writings reveal my integrity.
You did say a few hours earlier, "You are an interesting man."
What may I ask you, triggered your mind to produce such a nasty reply! You compel me to defend myself.
Further, I have yet to see any evidence of knowledge from you which has enriched my existence, as you have suggested.
You did succeed to touch base with one of the topics I highlighted in the beginning of the Conversation.
I believe, you are recovering from a serious injury and I will Pray to God, in a few minutes, with kindness in my thoughts for your speedy recovery.
With Love,
Don
R H 20+
Don Wesley 50+
Certainly the place for tossing around Ideas and eating marshmallows is often called a fireside chat.
I did research in the behavioural sciences, for over ten years and have used many theories to bring about creative change. I find TEDs three conversation types very useful to guide our behaviour in an orderly fashion. You might find Eric Bernes book on "Transactional Analysis'" useful. to determine when conversations cease to bring forward any value for the whole. I certainly have no control other than starting a Conversation.
How about revealing your story in your conversation and profile?
Edward Webber
If you focus on the idea presented instead of the people discussing them or the presentation of them, you will quickly notice this site does a fair job at succeeding in its goal, encouraging the public discussion and evolution of those ideas. As for those who stray from the topic at hand, one can only hope the moderators do their jobs and weed out such noise.
Don Wesley 50+
You, have just said "this is not a place for people"
Rebecca Saxe tells us that it is very important to understand that:
"Sensing the motives and feelings of others is a natural talent for humans."
Edward, you somehow have triggered a feeling in me, that I find curious; I will put it on my back burner to simmer. Thank you, I certainly will remember you and wonder what your story is.
Over the years I have played many games with weaker players, giving them a chance to learn. I taught and they learned. In the game of racket-ball, my son who was champion, gave me chance to play him[he used his other arm]. He learned and I learned because he slowed the game, to accommodate me. He was able to learn and become a champion because I gave the time and money to pay for the club fees. This what I call reciprocity and kindness. We learn from one another!
You seem to be bringing wood to the fire for my back burner.
Don [From The Silent Generation - the 30's]
Don Wesley 50+
Orderliness does lead to creative thoughts which can be well recorded. It is prudent thinking and patient and civil. Revolutions bring chaos and suffering.
Don Wesley 50+
Take in all the milk, then let the cream rise to the top.
Work and churn for the butter.
Take in all the Ideas with love and kindness and beautiful creations will unfold and delight us.
It is an organic process not a mechanical one.
This I believe is the process of TED.
The results of the process are Ideas worth spreading.
Fritzie Reisner 100+
Some people share ideas in what to others may seem a less orderly way than makes for ideal communication. But they don't do that to be confusing. It is just how their minds work and how they express themselves. We could think of it as a differently ordered way rather than not in an orderly way.
Some people are articulate but long-winded relative to others. Again, it is just how they speak or write. It would be a shame, perhaps, for them to work too much on editing their writing in this informal venue. It might discourage their sharing their views here.
I know many people are not expert in the substantive backbone of an issue they nevertheless care about. I think they can then learn from someone who adds to their knowledge by filling in some of those gaps.
Don Wesley 50+
We are limited, by TED, to 2000 characters and other defined responsibilities.
We can also have private conversations with one another; one on one.
Fritzie Reisner 100+
Interpersonal communication is an interesting and vital problem and challenge:
Another place where this challenge arises is in interdisciplinary and intercultural problems and collaborations. The same word may have a different meaning in different disciplines and in colloquial speech, which results in misunderstandings.
I used to participate in a site including English speaking people from the United States, England, and Australia and was surprised at how different the meanings and connotations are of words. I noticed there, admittedly with some distress, that some people on that site got extremely ruffled quickly without considering and realizing that they may be using words differently.
Don Wesley 50+
Yours is an excellent contribution.
It brings forth to my mind, the languages of Greek and Hebrew where even grammar and different beliefs are involved. It takes scholarly skills and patience, to understand those differences you so beautifully refer to. Our conversations must rise to the level which Sir Ken Robinson so beautifully challenges us to break through to.
Thank you for triggering this my own thin slice of contribution.
Sir Ken Robinson: Bring on the learning revolution!
Lejan . 30+
Thank you for the video, Don, it made me rest in the moment.
Regarding to your statement I hope to be productive in saying, that 'friction' sometimes helps a discussion to evolve to a better. And as long as the debaters stay respectful with each other I would not mind to have a soft scent of wood in the air. Also any language is far from perfection, so that words alone within a starting question may not always transport its true intention, thereby an answer may not become as specific as it could have be.
Also some people may not be as talented as others to be precise in their words to shorten the text, and some will never become good storytellers. Yet they might be woth hearing. If not by you, then maybe by others.
Personally I prefer the beauty of an idea, a thought or a concept before the way it was presented in. And if both come along, then even better. But as this, like many other, is a matter of personal preferences I hope you find more of what you are looking for in the future on TED.
Don Wesley 50+
Your short essay here, strikes me as excellent, I can only hope to do as well.
The efficient place to toss in a story with loose associations, is under the heading of an “Idea.”
I don't think it is too much to ask someone to choose between Idea, Question or Debate or expressed in another way; use a wide gate, a tighter gate and the most demanding gate.
A simple meeting at a Town Hall, would have a Chairman with a Gavel, to maintain proper order, probably using "Roberts Rules of Order. It also seems to me a way to express kindness and freedom to reveal our stories without fear of being challenged.
It does free us to be more creative. Where there is the smell of fire, wisdom tells us to leave the Hall in an orderly manner, thereby preventing injury. It should be a comfortable place where we can get to know one another; not a place for back-biting or gossip.
I believe we will learn more about each other, using this manner of discipline.
I offer this view to you as my belief system. It is my story, and I will try not to answer a challenge to debate.
The Chairman of the Town Hall, will likely have a Sargent at Arms who may show an undisciplined individual ‘The Door.”
If someone wants to debate, they can open their own conversation under “Debate.”
Without a Chairman, we should come with greater self-discipline. [Maturity] Leave you pride and ego outside.
I am not a scholar of debate; just a willing student here at TED hoping to become more effective at growing an idea worth spreading. My mission is to reveal the evil of injustice.
Lejan . 30+
with a wink I may say, that regarding the fine art of discussion you made me feel like one of those ancient German clan warriors, strong, fearless and, if needed, burning down whole forests an countrysides to get heard by the sophisticated Roman empire... :o)
Seriously, I did not know about the existence of Roberts Rules of Order, or any alike, before you referred to them in your reply. You widened my scope indeed and I like to thank you for that.
As a non native English speaker it then took me a while to read through a summarized version of this rules and hope to have understand its immanent purpose.
Yet as much as it seems capable to organize a debate in the real world, an adaption to a forum like this on the internet had to be done, and thereby had to loose most of its orderliness.
The given rules by TED, followed by all of us, is probably the best this form of communication and debate on this media we can hope for:
https://www.ted.com/pages/conversations_terms
And by participating exemplary, as you without doubt do, may inspire others to follow.
You sharpened my senses, to blunt my ancient swort...
Don Wesley 50+
Don Wesley 50+
I feel your story is unfolding quite rapidly; I see a man whose wisdom is growing, maybe faster than he is looking. You appear to be a fast learner, who understands the whole, without the need for too much parsing, and over analysing which leads to paralyzing details. We must always be fully awake to who is parked in the Details. You make good use of your camera; Yes?
I add to my own story, by saying that all forms of media must be seen as a whole. [Greater than the sum of the parts] We must seek and flush away crime, while improving the story of Humanities Hunger for Justice and Peace and Love and Beauty. Never before [I think] have we had so many tools to do the Job, and turn Hope into Reality. The Great Architect Above has created a remarkable world that is providing. The Urgency for us is to see, hear, talk and fight the dysfunctional enemy, who is very clever.
Within TED there is a value-adding-chain at work; from Conversation to Talks worth listening too, which in turn inspire more creativity, which in turn flow back into Conversation. To keep this going requires discipline and skilled and loving care.
Good order accelerates the Good and Smothers the Bad.
Don Wesley 50+
We can bring it to those who are suffering from man-made disorder; we will have “Peace on Earth.”
http://www.youtube.com/embed/auSo1MyWf8g?rel=0