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dany masado

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can we reform the discussion surrounding gender inequality?

As of late, the gender discussion seems to dominate the mainstream discussion on social justice. The alarming trend that I have noticed is that it has become a real battle of the sexes where one side accuses the other of causing its demise, which means any progress for one gender is seen as a loss for the other. I am proposing that we start to reframe the gender debate in a way where we can honestly address issues faced by men without saying "men just don't have as bad", in a way where we can address female issues without saying "women complain too much, get over it.
We must remember that progress in gender justice is (or should be) a benefit for all not a sum zero battle. Often, we get caught up if tallying up a score on who has it worse, rather than finding ways to address issues for both sides, simultaneously.
What will you tell your sons or your daughters when they come to you for advice?

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    Jul 4 2012: When I was in France, the farmers used to pay us for peeling garlic by the kilo. 10 centimes for one kilo. The Moroccan women were the best by far...outpeeling the Europeans by 3 times the amount in the same time. Consequently, they were paid three times more. If a male coalminer gets 3 tonnes of coal to the surface in the same time that a female miner gets 2 tonnes of coal to the surface, should they be paid the same amount? I have no doubt that the men and the women have made the same amount of physical effort and worked for the same time, but the simple fact of the matter is that the man has produced a third more. Shouldn't he, like the Moroccan women, be compensated for his work? This is a practical question which people all too readily avoid discussing. Please respond.
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      Jul 5 2012: David, it might be hard to repsond to this but I am grateful that you are bringing it up. No one enjoys mistreatment. I would just ask you to consider that this treatment is the way it has been for women for all time except now. If we do not fix this now, when will we?
      Excelent points.
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        Jul 5 2012: But this is my point...are the examples I have given examples of mistreatment or fair treatment? Although you thanked me for bringing them up, they still haven't been addressed.
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          Jul 5 2012: David, darling, if I could answer the world's conundrums - I would have done so already. All I can actually do is recognize when a point made here is a major one but what is confusing to me is why you do not feel it necessary to recognize points made here that are truly, experiencially and morally right. What is inherently male about making car parts?
        • Jul 5 2012: I will be glad to answer. The answer is both. It is mistreatment from the view of the person doing an equal amount of work and getting paid less. It is fair treatment from the view of the employer, who should not have to pay more to an employee who delivers less.

          When feminists look at unequal wages, do they consider it from the view of a woman employer?

          I think this is an area that feminism should not consider a high priority because it is extremely complex. I was a computer programmer and a good one. Studies showed that the best computer programmers were 20 times more productive than the average programmer, but received only slightly more compensation. Capitalism is not kind to workers of either sex.

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