- Devon Gisbert
- Patchogue, NY
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What happens after we die?
People will often wonder, well what happens after we die? Everyone has asked this question at least once in their life it would be foolish to deny that. And it's funny because, well I mean it's pretty self explanatory we die, there's a big funeral (most of the time) people come and mourn over your body then they dig a hole and put you in it. We have SEEN what happens to people when they die and we can go to the nearest grave yard and have a whole post death stake-out.
But if that's the case then why is it that we ask that question? Why is it that seeing what happens after we die isn't enough for us? We know what happens after we die, yet when the philosopher, the teacher, the artist, the scientist, and the homeless man the lays there head down at night they wonder. Is this all there is, is this all I'm good for, just this life and then I vanish?
Ecclesiastes 3:11 it says "He has made everything beautiful in it's time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end."
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Eben Rose
daniel hehir 20+
....Too simple Eben..... I could kill a man the day before I died. I could even have enjoyed doing it.
But my own last thought could be about how much I love hamburgers....
Colleen Steen 500+
I totally agree...live without regrets and cultivate happiness.
Daniel,
Simple is GOOD sometimes:>) What we focus on expends, and my belief is that we live as we die, and die as we live, which may include our focus on the last thought in the neocortex...or not. Regardless of what you did the day before, you can still be focusing on something else...can you not?
An example from my experience:
When the body was near death, after a near fatal injury and craniotomy, I'm told that I was smiling and giving visitors a thumbs up while unconscious in ICU. The day before, I was riding a horse, had an accident, which put me in the state I was in with a severe injury. If your theory is correct, it seems that I would have been thinking about the accident, rather than giving my friends/relatives smiles and thumbs up?
You both could be "right"...:>)
Stewart Gault 30+
Colleen Steen 500+
daniel hehir 20+
I like your profile picture..
Is it a galaxy in the outer cosmos ..?
... Or is it a neuron in the inner cosmos...?
daniel hehir 20+
The point I am trying to make here is that your action from the day before... year before... life before will come back to you.
In the very moment in which you die does not determine you condition / situation in the spiritual world after death. My comment about killing a man the day before one dies was alluding to this.
The moment of death may be a positive and even joyful one, but for all of us, the consequences of what we have done throughout our lives will bring forth the experience of our "eternity" if I may use the word.
As we die, or can I say "excarnate" from the physical world, we experience the so called "tableau" or "life in review" as many people who have NDE's can tell about. This "spreading out" of the "spacial" experience to a "time" experience is common among people having NDE's They see their life "in review" This gives us a juxtaposition to our own lives that we never have had before. This gives us also the possibility to "judge" objectively both "our actions" as well as "others in their response to our actions" ... Thus, we experience in the spiritual world exactly what we have done to others in the physical world. If you slap your wife, both the "physical pain" involved will arise in your own "spirit being" as well as the "emotional pain" involved. And then "on top of this" there comes a burning desire to correct / do better the pain and injury that you have caused.
This is call "karma" ... but one can easily see the Christian element here also...
...Do onto others ...
Colleen Steen 500+
You are trying to explain what happens using terms that are a human construct...like "time" and "spacial".
I just read another comment of yours Daniel, on another thread, in which you accuse Obey of "rambling"...that is so funny...the pot calling the kettle black....LOL:>) I love you guys...just having a little fun:>)
Stewart Gault 30+
daniel hehir 20+
I think I get your point on the time / space "earth bound"realities. As someone said earlier, there are simply no words for the experience ... it is beyond words.
.. As for Obey's rambling on ... Yes, he himself noted that about his previous comment so I was simply agreeing with his own statement. I think that by agreeing on some points ... things might be easier to discuss ... although Obey and I see things in quite a different light.
I'm not saying that I'm not guilty of "rambling on" though ;-)
Colleen Steen 500+
Frans Kellner provided the perfect words...Explaining this stuff feels like trying to peel an apple with an ax! I just love that image...makes me laugh every time I think about it! Thanks Frans!!!
I noticed that Obey said that about himself....hope I didn't offend either of you with my playfullness:>) I'm not convinced that you and Obey see things in a much different light. In my perception, you express yourselves differently, and it seems like you come together on some points:>)
Helen Hupe 30+
I believe that dying is a process of being born into another dimension. Our consciousness lives beyond our earthly life. What the mechanics and result of this are, I don't know, but we live on in a very different way. I have great respect for Neil Degrasse Tyson, but I watched a video where he trashed "intelligent design" and he was so glib and sarcastic about how he would not make such stupid mistakes in evolution as "God" did, that it was incredibly funny how he compared his ideas to what actually is. But, I digress. We hear that the NDEs are caused by lack of oxygen. Well and good. If that is what causes consciousness to depart, it is still a mechanism and we dare not draw unwarranted conclusions about whether that conciousness is temporary or not. What law would prevent consciousness from being eternal ?
Stewart Gault 30+
We've also shown that slicing a few extra cells in the spinal chord causes loss of limb function i.e Stephen Hawking. So we've narrowed down consciousness, body control, and sub consciousness down to all their individual parts of the brain and spinal chord. For example their have been tests with brain trauma patients that certain parts of their brain were damaged and couldn't remember things such as names or phone numbers so we're narrowing down apparent consciousness.
Why do we say no afterlife? Because when the brain dies, all the cells die and stop functioning, we have shown that the conscious mind is created by the brain and also the sub conscious. So when faced with the possibility of all these functions dying and then postulating the idea that somehow after death all these faculties magically reassemble out of the body with nothing to generate them, that's why science says no afterlife.
daniel hehir 20+
Nice to see you back Helen!
Really liked your comment. Keep it up! Tell us more about your experience!
Colleen Steen 500+
Welcome back...good to see you on TED again:>)
That's a good one Helen..."It seems that the subject of an afterlife just will not die. (Pun intended)....LOL:>)
I don't understand it all either Helen, and that's ok. I don't need to undersand everything in this moment. I DO know that I'm here...now....and I'm going to continue to live life with gusto, to the best of my ability in any given moment:>)
Stewart,
You're right....there has been some research done regarding consciousness and how the brain functions. 22 years ago, after a traumatic brain injury, my family and I were told that because certain parts of the brain (most of it) were damaged, I would lose certain functions (most functions). Now they know that the brain can create new neural pathways. What science previously thought was truth, is now debunked because of new research and information. If you are going to stick with what science can prove at this time, that's ok. I'll probably be leaving you behind because I'm going with new information!!! My brain is working just fine, and it's open to exploring new scientific information. Why don't you come along for the interesting ride into new territory? :>)
You are correct...when the brain dies, all the cells of the brain die and stop functioning as well. I suggest that the conscous mind is NOT created by the brain. The brain is a carrier of energy which carries consciousness. It's a pretty simple concept, really, when/if you think about it:>)
BTW, science does not say no afterlife. Some scientists say no afterlife...some scientists are researching and exploring this topic. Energy is a pretty powerful generater:>)
daniel hehir 20+
Amazing story about the bird !! Simply amazing !!
I have heard similar stories about what animals can experience. They seem to have "extra senses" that we don't even know about. Dogs, horses and more.. Whales can communicate from half way around the planet. A dog can sense when his owner is coming home... or even can sense an epileptic seizure... The discovery of the reality of the spiritual world may... just may come from what the animals can teach us. We human beings have so much focus on the intellectual part of our being that this dominates over the more feeling / intuitive part of our nature.
Obey No1kinobe 50+
I would not be surprised if there is some biological process to ease our passing when we are dying. I would not be surprised if there are hallucinations as the brain does all it can to live, or some last burst of electricity. The experience might be shaped by your recent thoughts or mental state, or even be genetic.
Interesting ideas but pure conjecture.
Kevin Jacobson