Wayne Busby

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Are there any recognized Atheist organizations currently involved in any social aid, amnesty groups, hunger relief efforts etc...?

There seems to be the belief going around that mankind would be better off without any deference to faith or guidance from ideals assimilated from sources outside atheist paradigms.

Please speak up and give compassionate Atheists the recognition they deserve.

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    Mar 14 2011: Atheism is not an ideology, people who are atheists have diverse moral values and norms. They only share one thing in common, they don't believe in a higher concsious power.

    If you want ethics that can do without a higher power, there are Utalitarian ethics which are consequence based, there are also Kantian ethics which are categorical based ethics (closer to traditional based ethics but without an appeal to a higher power).

    Some practical examples of these in modified forms can be seen in secular humanism, human rights, the North American justice system etc.
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      Mar 16 2011: "They only share one thing in common, they don't believe in a higher concsious power". Sorry Budimir, This is ideology.
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      Mar 16 2011: No Birdia, they wont reject your donation and hopefully those honest ones will put your money to work in the right places, setting further examples for persons like you and me to follow,

      I expect that you come in peace Birdia and will respect your decorum. Your reply does not answer the question and so I invite you to check yourself and respond to the question as it stands.
      Your answer is not applicable.
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          Mar 16 2011: Thank you Birdia. and you are correct. My opinion is limit to those things which contributed to my paradigm.

          I did not see any advertisement on the Japanese sites that indicated they are Atheist.

          It is my hope to keep the minds of everyone open to the idea that there are other ways of looking at our human condition. Ways other than what we as individuals believe, or our latest attempts at a scientific ideoly theorize.
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    Mar 14 2011: the biggest team on kiva is "Atheists, Agnostics, Skeptics, Freethinkers, Secular Humanists and the Non-Religious"

    http://www.kiva.org/team/atheists

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      Mar 15 2011: Thank you Krisztian, I must say that I am impressed and hopeful. Once again the internet has proved itself a most useful tool for creating change in the world. I will check in from time to time on this group of exeptional individuals in the hopes that they are able to continue their work and encourage other non believers to act with compassion towards their brethern.
  • Mar 14 2011: Interestingly many atheists are involved in religious groups like World Vision.

    In terms of atheist groups, one prominent one is called SOS Village. Lots of organizations that work abroad in developing countries do not have any religious connections.

    I think whether people are religious or not, they like to help others =)
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      Mar 16 2011: Sorry Zdenek SOS Village is 'non-denominational not Atheist. The difference is significant.
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    Mar 14 2011: There are a number of secular humanitarian organizations: The Red Cross, The Gates Foundation are a couple notable ones. I think you will find most secular humanitarian groups and philanthropists don't feel the need to actively promote their lack of religion. I would guess it's because they think religion is irrelevant to their missions.
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      Mar 14 2011: Thanks Mark,
      Do these organisms actually call themselves secular?
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        Mar 14 2011: No, they probably don't. But because secular activity is defined as the absence of something, I'm not sure they need to. I'm not French, for instance, and I don't need to do everything under the banner of "not-French" for that to still be true. If you asked for an example of a non-French photographer, well, I would be one regardless of whether I market myself as un-French. The Gates Foundation as far as I can tell is not communist, but they don't actually have to call themselves non-communist for them to be in the category of non-communist organizations. They are also non-religious, aka secular, regardless of whether they call themselves by this term..
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          Mar 14 2011: Interesting, however, by your definition these organisms could be non-secular. (for all intents and purposes secular is defined in this discussion as non-religious, not 'the absence of something' these organisms have not announced themselves as such. Sorry.)

          It is still probable that they operate implementing a work ethic that is more than simply humanitarian. They may feel a duty to do what it is they are doing. Its not just a job.

          Perhaps this might be chicken or egg but I still feel the inception of such groups starts or is at least encouraged by some of what you call religious influence.
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    Mar 14 2011: This is an obviously meant as a snide, cynical question but I'll play the game: Non-believers Giving Aid is one. Foundation Beyond Belief is another.

    But giving aid shouldn't be about someone's religious views, I think the real question should be "are there any recognized organizations currently involved in any social aid, amnesty groups, hunger relief efforts which are not motivated by religion (and a hardly hidden desire to convert people)" and the answer here is yes there are tons!

    There's the redcross, médecins sans frontières, UNICEF, Amnesty international, Oxfam UK, the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation...to name but a very few. If you're going to argue that without religion, charity somehow completely dissapears, you are so wrong. Satisfied?
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      Mar 14 2011: Sorry the question stands as it was presented so your answer is not applicable. The question is not meant to be snide, I am looking for exactly such organisms as I mentioned.
      Further if you were to pull up the mission statements of those organisms you identified you might be surprised as to their origins and the alignment of those who work for them.
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    Mar 17 2011: My paradigm Birdia, is open to change and growth in a positive vein. Maybe it changed to match mine.
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    Mar 17 2011: Atheism is a Religion.

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Disambiguation: "Religion, a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe".

    "people who are atheists "have" diverse moral values and norms. They only share one thing in common, they don't believe in a higher concsious power." again " only share one thing in common, they don't believe in a higher concsious power". Sorry Budimir, This is ideology.
    Brother I only suggest that you be aware of what you worship.

    Me: It is always an act of God when Humanity starts consolidating towards the "collaborative efforts of human beings regardless of creeds." and you again Sister Birdia.
    The issue for me is simple; what are we collaborating towards?

    The Doctors are in, so Physicians heal thy selves and help me diagnose the rest of our problem..

    Symptoms and impression:

    1)What does it mean when instead of answering a question one becomes evasive, hesitant, hostile, willfully ignorant, condescending, lost.. we need to agree on our language because we don't have time time to waste.

    2)How can someone who refuses, or is unable to acknowledge the full constructive content of an open dialogue between common people, expect to understand the Infinite Glory of our Father of Gods?
    I am in that same boat with you.

    3)"Your paradigm is your paradigm only, thus, has no effect on the principles of humanitarianism." This is your paradigm Birdia, so how exactly does it apply to you? Do you matter?? Do you really think I don't???
    More importantly, "the principles of humanitarianism" are perfectly in line with my paradigm, so I must be having some good effect.

    4)How can something born deny the existence of a Father?

    It is a little mind that glorifies its self because it can - at will - manipulate the time and space of things smaller than itself. It is this same mind than cannot support the idea of something bigger willfully manipulating it.

    This is sounding like some chronic mental illness.
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        Mar 17 2011: My experience has led me to develop a paradigm which encourages me towards an ethic of kindness, benevolence and sympathy extended universally and impartially to all human beings. Im not perfect. I am trying to be my best.

        This is also the Humanitarian ethic which has been evolving, yet historically and universally has the common element of no distinction being made in the face of human suffering or abuse on grounds of gender, sexual orientation, tribal, caste, religious or national divisions. Wiki.

        To answer your question I am one of those people who, perhaps like you matter enough to provide through our example clear meaning and direction to the concept.

        Just wanted to remind you that what and how you communicate throughout these conversation will be immortalized when the talk is closed. Which makes editing yourself quite difficult.
    • Mar 19 2011: Hi Wayne,

      You posted:
      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      Disambiguation: "Religion, a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe".

      Religion, according to Wikipedia, "is a belief of some superhuman power or powers, in particular a god or gods..."

      How can Atheism be a Religion?

      Also note that Atheism is not worship since "Worship is an act of religious devotion usually directed to one or more deities."

      "The issue for me is simple; what are we collaborating towards?"
      We are collaborating towards more just and free society, better life and greater understanding of the Universe.

      We are not constrained but any ideologies or beliefs but rather we learn and improve by using products of science and social studies through experiments, observations and rational thinking.
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        Mar 19 2011: In order to avoid this kind of confusion I made a point of posting the disambiguation, because it is dis-ambiguous.

        Disambiguation: "Religion, a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe". Ergo Atheism is a Religion.

        According to your own post Atheism can be described as "an act of religious devotion" to ones own personal interest and beliefs. Such as money, art, science, beauty, sex...we all have our Gods.
        • Mar 23 2011: I think your definition of religion is not consistent with the definition most of us have?

          I do not communicate with or look for guidance in money, art, beauty etc. I am also not devote to them. Therefore they cannot be my God? Rather I am devoted to my family and society.

          For me religion, beside the God's figure, is guided by a set of believes established a long time ago and hardly changing over the time?

          Cheers =)
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      Mar 26 2011: Only if apolitical is a party! The definition is in the word a- (lack of) -theism (religion). You can just make up stuff because it makes your case easier to argue.
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    Mar 15 2011: By chance, did you intend to post this in "Debates" section? I could be misreading, but I also feel like there is an underlying assertion being made here.
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      Mar 15 2011: Hello C.J., No, for me this was a pure and simple question. Krisztian :) answered me well, however, providing me the name of the first organizaion that satisfies the criteria. They are a small group but just the same encouraging.

      Confirming your perception: Absolutely yes! I believe ideas like compassion need to be instilled and nurtured and I have a hard time beliving that people will act as such just 'because'.
      I only half jokingly believe that the reason why we are here, is that the infinite Universe is the only place big enough to contain the Human ego. I say this because to me the History of our collective species does not in the least inspire much more than hope.

      However intilligent, we are not an intrinsically wise race. This is why I am of the opinon that without some guidance we are doomed.
      We are free to believe what we will. This is as it should be yet, not to choose is to choose, so hiding behind 'Aethist paradigms' doesnt wash for me. You have still chosen your 'religion' (a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe) and it is one you will fight to uphold.

      Having said all that, my ultimate goal is to define all those most salient truths (wisdom) found in other religions, including my own, look at them as pragmatically as possible (scientifically?) and redefine our direction as a species.
      • Mar 15 2011: Hello Wayne

        You said that "However intilligent, we are not an intrinsically wise race."
        I am curious as to how did you come to that conclusion and what data did you based it on?

        Can our guidance be in the form of accrued knowledge of previous generations of philosophers, psychologists, free thinkers, history and ethics that involves critical thinking and discussion of the community?

        I don't think all of us have 'religion' because religion requires a "belief of some superhuman power or powers". Set of beliefs is only a part of it. =)
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion
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          Mar 16 2011: Set of beliefs is at the crux of this whole matter. What you believe is also relevant.

          "Can our guidance be in the form of accrued knowledge of previous generations of philosophers, psychologists, free thinkers, history and ethics that involves critical thinking and discussion of the community?" It depends if the audience is effectively (or just efficiently) listening. Where hearing is selective remember "You cannot learn from what you choose to forget."

          What data did I base it on?? That is a curious question. Turn on your tv. Intelligence is efficient, Wisdom is effective. The formers' worth tends to be measured in the moment the latter stands to becomes a principle.