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  • Jun 6 2012: Nah....

    The claim that history will end soon seems unnecessarily narcissistic to me. People since the beginning of time have felt that the universe had reached a zenith with their generation. They've all been proven wrong (ok, that's a debatable point!). I expect nothing less with my descendents. In fact, I'd be dissapointed if my great-great-grandchildren haven't progressed far past my humble position.

    Best wishes,
    Doug Bell
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    Jun 3 2012: i think we have one more step to take, and it is free society with no governments.

    however, it is only the end of political history. the history of achievements does not end there. we still have many milestones to reach, cure for cancer and interstellar travel are yet to come.
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        Jun 4 2012: it can. voluntary governments can exist. people can come together, and with mutual consent, they can create any systems they want.

        but if the benefits of a free society become clear and visible, who would want to have a government?
        • Jun 5 2012: Is the idea of a free society almost too utopian to ever actually function? I believe that a free society would be a wonderful place to live, but I am still skeptical. It is based primarily upon this idea of mutual consent. I could see many people having different ideas on what they consider "fair," and these conflicting ideas would cause much conflict. Could humanity ever put aside their differences enough to not have a government? Maybe I'm just cynical, but I cannot imagine humanity getting along without some sort of regulator.

          Even then, with the continual changes of governments in favor of citizen's liberties, would a government actually be preferable to a free society? There are many different feats that require lots of cooperation between individuals. Look at transportation infrastructures for instance. Subways, railroads, and highways are all maintained by governments. This government is combining resources from many different individuals in order to help allow our world to function. Would a free society have this ability? Without a doubt, governments have harmed countless freedoms in the past, but does this mean that the future holds no governments or just governments that infringe less upon freedoms?
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        Jun 5 2012: @Noah Crossfield:

        "Is the idea of a free society almost too utopian to ever actually function?"

        we live mostly in this utopia. when you go to a shop, you act on mutual consent. also when you apply for a job or hire someone. when you ask someone to help you out. the question is not that it works or not, it works. the question is how to deal with those plan to do otherwise. but this is a question in any kind of society, and the answer is far from perfect today.

        "There are many different feats that require lots of cooperation between individuals."

        recommended talk:
        recommended reading: I, Pencil

        in short: the economy is a scheme of cooperation of unthinkable complexity. yet it works on its own. nobody is running it. in fact the more someone tries to manage it the worse it gets. the economy works best if left alone.

        "governments have harmed countless freedoms in the past, but does this mean that the future holds no governments or just governments that infringe less upon freedoms?"

        i don't know the future. but i know that we don't want less evil. we want no evil. the goal is not less pain, but no pain. there is no right amount of harm. so one day we might give up the fight, and accept a good enough situation. but we should not stop wishing the perfect solution.
        • Jun 5 2012: I do admire your optimism, but I am still skeptical. The idea about buying from a shop does relate to the idea of mutual consent, but a large part of this trust between the shopper and the seller comes from having a government. I know that sounds odd, but let me explain. One of the main reasons that the shopper trust the seller is because of what the government would do if the shopper does not receive what he or she paid for. For instance if I paid for someone to fix my computer, but they simply took my money and didn't fix my computer, I could sue or do some sort of action in order to get my computer fixed or my money back. This comes primarily from the government having a certain amount of authority. Without this authority, trade would become much more complex.

          Further more, there is the idea of laws. While some laws are used to oppress, most are beneficial. If there were no traffic laws, many people would drive dangerously fast. Without a government, these sort of laws would either not exist or simply never be enforced. Human nature, although it does contain much good, is normally trying to advance one's place in the world. Based on this, I think some form of authority(in the form of a government) must exist because humans would do whatever they wished without an authority.

          Finally there is the idea of protection. One of the biggest tasks of a government is to protect its citizens. The biggest risk to protect against is other humans. People have been known to kill other just to advance their causes and improve their status. Based on this idea people unite in order to reduce the chances they would not be hurt. Really, if there was no consequence for theft or murder, I do believe that they would be much more common than they are today. Based on these ideas, people will give up some liberties in order to have the stability of a government. I fully understand the idea you say (and think they are great), but I still don't find a free society viable
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    Jun 3 2012: If there is a beginning there will be an end. Linear concepts are like that.

    If however, history has a circular rhythm, then values will cycle and something new will arise from the old.

    As far as I am concerned, I am so sick of capitalism I hope there will be an alternative.
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    Jun 3 2012: According to the bible mankind appeared some 6000 years ago; which, interestingly coincides with the begining of recorded history. It may be coincidence, but if it isn't then history is destined to end in a fairly short time. Exciting times.

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        Jun 5 2012: Hi Tyler.
        I guess I am a fundamentalist, I think the bible covers the whole historical timespan. I takes us from the creation of the universe to it's demise & replacement with an entirely new creation, free from the present ravages of evil. As we will be at one with our creator, this will be a desirable utopia.
        It is true that rebelling is part of our current makup. This present life shows us both sides & gives us opportunity to choose. We can choose good, or evil. A bit of both is a one-time only option for this life alone. Eternity will be one or the other, according to our choice.
        I also believe that the bible is in total harmony with the sciences, if we stick with the empirical stuff, & treat "interpretations" with scepticism.

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          Jun 5 2012: Hi Peter--Re: National Israel's existence. When you consider the unrelenting effort there has always been to rid the planet of Jews then supernatural intervention becomes pretty believable. There is no other explanation. Romans 11:25, 26 (KJV). Peace. --Ed
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    Jun 3 2012: The answer to this question lies, ironically, in history, or of what we guess of history, since it was not technically recorded. Pre-histroy is where the answer is. Look at the conjectures that have been made about this pre-history, and you will get a glimpse about what the end of history could look like.

    As to whether it is possible or not? Yes it is quite possible. History will end when no one is left to write, no one can remember the stories of the past, and no one remains. For as long as someone survives, they will record their thoughts and observations. Whether it be in their mind or with the written word.
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    Jun 2 2012: The end of history....

    Human life on Earth ends
    Life on Earth becomes so boring and uneventful people can't be bothered to record or remember the past
    Humanity develops a brain disorder resulting in people relying on short term memory

    What's the question?
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    Jun 2 2012: I'm no economist but i definitely think the world is moving closer to a single liberal government. Former superpowers are now giving up many of their powers to the UN, which is becoming stronger and stronger. Liberalism definitely appeals to the masses because it revolves around freedom and equality.
    I think is idea can still apply, but I don't know if we will still be mostly liberal world, lets say, 100 years from now.

    I think for the average man, a sense of freedom and equality would ensue, though government monitoring and tracking would increase and thus, his actual freedom would decrease. Censoring and limits on the 1st amendment are increasing, and i would think are only going to increase further.
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      Jun 3 2012: "Liberalism revolves around freedom and equality". True. Conservatism delves into freedom and equality.
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    Jun 2 2012: The Milky Way Galaxy is on a collision course with the Andromeda Galaxy. The Mayan calendar abruptly ends this year. Jesus Christ promised to bring about the end of Time right about now. The Big Crunch is a plausable theory. The LHC says they are closing-in on the God Particle, aka Higgs Boson. Hmmmm.
    • Jun 3 2012: I could be mistaken, but I thought that Jesus did not state when he was supposed to return to earth. Could you explain why you think that the end of the world is soon?
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        Jun 4 2012: Sure Mr. Crossfield. Read in the Bible book of Matthew, chapter 24, verses 5 throuh 15. This is the answer Jesus gave his disciples when they asked about his return. He cited 12 specific signs, ALL OF WHICH will be currently occurring at the time of his return. All these things have never occurred simultaneously until now.
        • Jun 5 2012: I do see your point about the famines, earthquakes, and wars. I do have to raise a question about this subject though. What makes these specific events the ones that Jesus was referring to? I could see your belief because these are occurring very close to each other; however, I have not researched much into the history of earthquakes and famines. I do know one thing though. Not only that, wars have been ridiculously common throughout history. Why would the war of terrorism (a relatively small war compared to the WWI or WWII) be the reason for his return? Many Christians have claimed that Jesus's return would be soon, but then he did not return when they expected. Even further in Matthew chapter 24 Jesus states, "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" (verse 36). And I fully agree that many of these predictions are visible in our world today, but I do not think that Christians are hated in all nations. I believe that many Christians around the world are persecuted, but Western culture is accepting to our faith. While I understand your statement, I must respectfully ask why this present time is different than other bad periods of history.
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        Jun 5 2012: Good question Noah. The difference between the present time and all previous times is that "all these things" are reality now. Throughout history some combination of particular signs have been present, but only now, in our time, are they ALL 12 real. Three times Jesus says, "all these things" (vss. 6, 33, 34) must be happening. The long list of failed predictions about the end of Time proves the declaration of Jesus recorded in vs. 36. Predicting the "day and hour" (eg. Dec. 30, 2012 at 6 PM) is not humanly possible! There are those who hate Jesus Christ and his followers in every nation. That does not say everyone in every nation persecutes Jesus' followers. For the many who reject and despise Jesus the end will come as a surprise, totally unexpected, like a thief in the night. But all who are born again are watching for his return and will not be caught unaware. This bears directly on Mr. Agyemang's question. Thank you!
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          Jun 5 2012: Hi Edward.
          What I find persuasive is the existence of the Jewish people in their newly established homeland. This is prophecied in many places in connection with the end of history.

        • Jun 5 2012: Mr. Long, I think that is a very well defended position. Mr Law, you also added a very insightful comment. Thanks!