Kardelen Ergin

Master - Student "Psychology",

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Do you beleive in collective unconscious?

For the ones who are not familiar with the term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_unconscious
Do you think that it exists? Are the experiments done towards to prove it are right? Or are they just bad examples of scientific experiments?

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    Jun 7 2012: Hi Kardelen,
    Yes, I believe in a collective unconscious...or collective consciousness. I believe we are all connected with energy, and that energy powers the body, as well as being the carrier for collective conscious.

    When I was unconscious because of a near fatal head/brain injury and emergency craniotomy, being kept alive with life support systems, I was unconscious according to the medical model. However, I was conscious on many other different levels. The "channal" that allows communication on a human level was disabled, and other "channels" of consciousness were working.
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    May 29 2012: Yes.
    I believe we are born with an innate virtual reality generator, and I believe humans all have the same. I don't know what "blue" looks like to you, but I think I know what kinds of thoughts are knocking about in your brain in specific situations, regardless of your cultural background. That's because we share a common ground, because there is a universal human unconscious.
    Our response to the sun, to the moon, to fire, to violence, to mother love, to father figure, to competing sibling, etc... all of that is innate and universal. The similarities in so many mythologies comes from this shared ground. Our fiction is a reflection of that human inner world, our universal virtual reality.
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      Jun 7 2012: I guess I see that as the basic neural map that all healthy babies are born with. So do you suggest that we concur on blue because of a collective unconscious?
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        Jun 8 2012: No. If you were a bee, you'd simply have learnt the word designating the specific wavelength, and we'd agree on blue.
        However I bet all cultures divide the rainbow in the same number of colours, and all choose the same key wavelengths. You could do the experiment, ask people to pinpoint a value for which they have a name on the rainbow.
        Similarly to our expectations regarding facial expressions, I think our brains "look" for the same specific colours, regardless of your environment and cultural background.
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    May 29 2012: Firstly, it seems this question should be answered by Psychologists, Neuroscientists, etc., and I'd be interested to hear their opinion on this.
    So after that disclaimer, here's my unwarranted opinion of this: It seems to me that the "minimalist" interpretation is a reasonable idea that should and can be taken seriously.
    What makes me uneasy is the quick jump to transcendence that topics like these seem to attract, with New Age types claiming what they can not possibly know.
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    May 31 2012: I was unconscience once but don't remember much after the lights went out until they came back on. Not much of a collection there.

    All the best. Bob
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    May 30 2012: Thanks Philipp, I probably heard the words different than they were intended. I will try to get more information for you tomorrow night. It is 1:50 a.m. and I have just put in a seventeen hour day. In the meantime, if anyone else would care to help, There were no animal deaths and many people witnessed the animals traveling to higher ground after the earthquake and before the tsunami waves arrived.
    I'll be back tomarrow
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    May 29 2012: It sounds a bit like epigenetics,
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    May 29 2012: Yes, i believe. I will try through another way. It's gen. Gen supports typical of our personality, but gen also has standard for typical of human generally.

    If we consider that this gen has its own forms for typical of human, and since we have consciousness because of this gen, then this gen that works unconsciously for us, should be considered a reflection of collective unconscious.

    Less or more ...
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    May 29 2012: its a complete tangent to me!!!
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    May 29 2012: Suggest we share traits in terms of consciousness and unconsciousness.
    After all we all have similar brains.
    Not sure if the idea of collective consciousness sometimes steps outside reason and evidence into the metaphysical realm

    Perhaps one day we will find we are connected in ways similar to the force or gravity between matter.
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    May 29 2012: what are you implying? the animals conciouslyagreed to head to higher ground?

    as long as it is unconscious behavior and response, how do we know it is experiences, or values and not unconscious communications between all living creatures?
    I am only presenting possibilities strongly suggested by the resulting behavior
    I do question wikipedia, or anyone else that might believe they understand the source of sub-conscious and unconscious knowledge, whether it is stored experiences, shared values, or present communications. The animals have me leaning toward present communications.
    btw, the animals did not travel in groups and were spread over quite a large area, some wild, some domesticated
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      May 29 2012: I (or Wikipedia) didn't even challenge the possibility of such communication, it simply seemed to me to be outside of the scope of the question, as it was about a specific concept of "collective unconscious" coined by C.G. Jung which I believe has nothing to do with a real-time collective subconscious communication.

      I agree that people who claim they understand the source of sub-conscious / unconscious are questionable.

      Can you link to a specific source of this animal behavior you're describing so I know what exactly you are talking about?
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    May 28 2012: It led the animals away from the tsunami, didn't it?
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      May 29 2012: Ok, I might be wrong here, because it's late and I really should go to sleep, but it seems to me you're not referring to the actual term Kardelen has asked about. The wikipedia article seems to describe collective unconscious more as as inherited experiences, values, unconscious patterns which are "collective" to the species. (in some sense, this is undoubtedly true, albeit trivial)

      What you seem to suggest sounds more like a shared mind / group consciousness?