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At what level does the cost of justice become injustice. – An Idea before the inevitable Question to come, in another conversation.
I am looking to hear from commenters' who accept Zimbardo’s hypotheses on Evil; imagine it a pre-requisite to getting a thumbs-up.
There is a lesson to be learned from this topic; will you be a “hero” or continue the evil by being “passive” about it?
Big-Businesses, shipping world wide are subject to outside-quality-control. Our industry of courts are a value-adding-chain-of-operations [With no outside-quality-control] with many players. The operators are the lawyers, judges and hundreds of specialists and other court officials; the whole being “very big business.” They all must be paid; but with whose money? And then of course there is a value-added-tax that goes to our government. What is the cost of a divorce; for many in the middle class it is their entire wealth. Do you find this immoral?
Can you imagine this value-adding-chain being like a Train that you get on for the ride; and can’t get off until the final destination?
Do you have the courage to say this is an evil business train; not unlike another “story of trains” we know in history? Is that much evil, a function of a few bad apples, or a function of the business organization itself? People lose their homes by tiny-fraudulent-steps which are sold by Realtors. Deed-Notaries allow for fraudulent conveyances! And plaintiff’s lie “a-little.” And Judges hastily grant unconscionable court orders. At every stage of the chain, “just a little bit of evil” is added; the total delivers death; death by a thousand cuts.When will we be able to bring the criminals to justice in the criminal courts?
When are we going to overturn the money changers tables? Will you just say there is nothing you can about it.
Closing Statement from Don Wesley
It has provided us with the names of commentors who are seeking the right path to justice.
They must be honored.
They are to be trusted.
I am truly a better person, having talked to them.
Don [From The Silent Generation - the 30's]
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Don Wesley 50+
Kindness - http://innjustice.blogspot.ca/2011/05/look-of-kindness-in-action.html
Do you know the difference between good and evil? Yes I am talking to you.
Give me your answer, yes or no.
Don [From the Silent Generation] - http://innjustice.blogspot.ca/2011/12/science-of-silent-generation-is-lever.html
Scott Nesler
Don, I suggest Michael Sandel's TED speech.
http://www.ted.com/talks/michael_sandel_the_lost_art_of_democratic_debate.html
It is a good overview for his online course
http://www.justiceharvard.org/
where he gives a holistic view of justice with an insight to difference between good and evil.
I've weeded through a few quotations acquired through the years. Maybe they are related/maybe not. I hope you can find association from the words of others.
We are born knowing nothing and with much striving we learn but a little; yet all the while we are bound by laws that hearken to no plea of ignorance, and measure out their rewards and punishments with calm indifference. -- Paul Elmer More
Our civilization has essentially globalized only the surfaces of our lives. But our inner self continues to have a life of its own. And the fewer answers the era of rational knowledge provides to the basic questions of human Being, the more deeply it would seem that people, behind its back as it were, cling to the ancient certainties of their tribe. Because of this, individual cultures, increasingly lumped together by contemporary civilization, are realizing with new urgency their own inner autonomy and the inner differences of others. -- Václav Havel
Don Wesley 50+
I have listened with great care to Sandel's Justice lectures at Harvard and his TED speech.
When I refer to Evil, there is an absence of conscience and remorse, in the mind and soul of the perpetrator. I am referring to a sociopath. Therefore there is no lack of clarity
I believe the above comments are extending this conversation with the result being to confuse, rather than to clarify. However it is very useful that you have brought it up.
Also, I believe we are born with a soul, and a mind; the combination of the two controlling the brain; this is more than nothing; it is a mystery. You quote Paul Elmer More who says we are born knowing nothing.
Also your reference to a walk-away father is mis-leading; what about a walk-away mother.
----- I have also made the comment that the court is schizophrenic; not even seeing the injury they are doing. It is going to take an intuitive leap from one system of linear logic to a new reality of logic. The universe is not flat nor a sphere it is infinite.
----- So, you are not answering the question of yes or no. I have more work to do, before leaving the “Idea” and moving to the “Question.”
Scott Nesler
I was baptised into the Christian faith, though I'm still searching for the truth. You speak of a soul acquired at birth. Are you confusing the argument of care for a fellow being versus apathy. Sympathy, respect, and understanding for others is as likely a combination of genes passed through evolution or a learned behaviour in the nurturing of a child than a mystic phenomenon you describe as a soul. Some individuals born into the human species never acquire a high level of sympathy towards a fellow human being. Is that evil? Is a lion cub evil when it kills a monkey for the sport of it? Where does ignorance fall in the equation of evil? What is societies role in combating ignorance? Is it society's fault for the harm performed in the name of ignorance when the society places little value for civic education? A society is made up of individuals. When every individual wishes to live in solitude, ignoring misdeeds or their own laws, is that ignorance or evil? I judge them the same.
"This [bill] on education would [raise] the mass of the people to the high ground of moral respectability necessary to their own safety and to orderly government, and would [complete] the great object of qualifying them to secure the veritable aristoi for the trusts of government, to the exclusion of the pseudalists... I have great hope that some patriotic spirit will... call it up and make it the keystone of the arch of our government." -- Thomas Jefferson
Don Wesley 50+
Don Wesley