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Are we able to wrap our mind around infinity?

Infinity. It’s a puzzling concept. Is it real, or a mathematical fiction?
Aristotle believed infinity could only be potential, never actual. To speak of an actual infinity, he argued, is to fall into logical contradiction: “The infinite turns out to be the contrary of what it is said to be,” Aristotle wrote in the Physics. “It is not what has nothing outside it that is infinite, but what always has something outside it.”

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Closing Statement from Mohammad Mohammadipour

Dear All
Thanks for your comments;
And, last but not the least:
Arisen to voiceless unattainable peaks
I meet no end, for all is boundless He,
An absolute Joy the wide-winged spirit seeks,
A Might, a Presence, an Eternity.

In the inconscient dreadful dumb Abyss
Are heard the heart-beats of the Infinite.
The insensible midnight veils His trance of bliss,
A fathomless sealed astonishment of Light.

In His ray that dazzles our vision everywhere,
Our half-closed eyes seek fragments of the One:
Only the eyes of Immortality dare
To look unblinded on that living Sun.

Yet are our souls the Immortal's selves within,
Comrades and powers and children of the Unseen.

Sri Aurobindo(October 1939)
Best Regards.
Mohammad Mohammadipour

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    May 11 2012: In relation to limitation, something is always associated with two things, namely:

    - The existence of something, and it's limited because an existence of something is dependent on the presence of another existence.

    - The existence of what can be perceived of something (property, event, and the like), and these are limited because only a few that can be enabled from the whole.

    In relation to infinite:

    - The existence of something, and it's infinite because an existence of something is not dependent on the presence of another existence.

    - The existence of what can be perceived of something (property, event, and the like), and these are infinite because all kind of those can be enabled from the whole.

    Answering that question, then:

    For those who believe in the existence of which include our existence, the existence of any of us have always relied on a larger existence, so in this sense, we can not wrap our mind around infinity.

    Similarly, we can never be fully functioning to our potential, so we are also limited for the use of our own bodily functions (imperfect).

    We can wrap our mind around infinity only if it is compared to something else, who has more limitations than we are. This can be expressed as:

    - Our mind capable to infinite because, our mind is not limited by others & we can enable the potential of our mind is greater than the average other being, in general.

    Infinite is just as simple as not limited by something, potentially or actual. Outside this understanding, in my opinion, is not real.

    Understanding of infinity should be compared with anything else, without this, the infinite is meaningless.

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      May 12 2012: Hi Bernard
      You discussion is similar to Hamzeh's discussions.
      So it is possible to uniderstand the concept of infinity throught deduction?
      And, is this the only way that our brain works?
      Regards
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        May 13 2012: Hi Mohammad

        If we had been looking for a conjecture in the deductive and it does not exist, then we conclude that these allegations are out of the deductive.

        How could we be able to browse the entire territory of deductive to ensure things are out of the deductive (an impossibility). Deductive should be leaning to the selected premise of axiomatic truth, then if an allegation was not recognized, it is beyond reality and it's an impossibility.

        Is it possible to understand the concept of infinity throught deduction? Yes, but deductives should be constructed by axiomatic, to get a clear picture about where the location of the infinite is in a logical framework, so we get a consistent definition.

        Is this the only way that our brain works? No, brain could work as a receiver for interventions from the outside of our consciousness, so that we can quickly switch to (jump to) another search point of another area (shortcut) within logical framework to more quickly recognize whether a notion of truth is indeed within the logical framework. This makes the human being has the highest ability to be able to defeat the most sophisticated machines.

        This intervention also helped us to expand the building from an existing logical framework, by establishing connections to expand the structure of the logical framework, even beyond the logical framework that is in our brain.

        How can we trace the development of the logical framework? By expanding consciousness through meditation, and saw firsthand the structure of our logical framework and interconnected to logical framework from outside ourselves, so we know exactly the truth. Or by understanding of the working and how to use thought experiment & the subconscious. And we often label the results as creative thinking, intuitive, self-evident and similar to these.

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          May 17 2012: Bernard
          how do you think about this quesion:

          mathematically speaking, is it possible to find INFINITY1 inside INFINITY2?
          Does it limit INFINITY1?
          please add you answer to Salim's reply
          Regards

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