- Mohammad Mohammadipour
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Are we able to wrap our mind around infinity?
Infinity. It’s a puzzling concept. Is it real, or a mathematical fiction?
Aristotle believed infinity could only be potential, never actual. To speak of an actual infinity, he argued, is to fall into logical contradiction: “The infinite turns out to be the contrary of what it is said to be,” Aristotle wrote in the Physics. “It is not what has nothing outside it that is infinite, but what always has something outside it.”
Closing Statement from Mohammad Mohammadipour
Dear All
Thanks for your comments;
And, last but not the least:
Arisen to voiceless unattainable peaks
I meet no end, for all is boundless He,
An absolute Joy the wide-winged spirit seeks,
A Might, a Presence, an Eternity.
In the inconscient dreadful dumb Abyss
Are heard the heart-beats of the Infinite.
The insensible midnight veils His trance of bliss,
A fathomless sealed astonishment of Light.
In His ray that dazzles our vision everywhere,
Our half-closed eyes seek fragments of the One:
Only the eyes of Immortality dare
To look unblinded on that living Sun.
Yet are our souls the Immortal's selves within,
Comrades and powers and children of the Unseen.
Sri Aurobindo(October 1939)
Best Regards.
Mohammad Mohammadipour
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Salim Solaiman 50+
Pondering about the main premise itself??????
Krisztián Pintér 200+
Colleen Steen 500+
We can stretch our minds to infinity while trying to "wrap it up":>)
Krisztián,
That looks like "in the box" thinking:>)
Krisztián Pintér 200+
Colleen Steen 500+
Salim Solaiman 50+
Colleen Steen 500+
Do you think this is a tough discussion?
Salim Solaiman 50+
With my naiveness when I can participate in any discussion that's definitely not a tough one ....that's my measuring scale.
Well being naive can join a heated discussion but not a tough one :)
Colleen Steen 500+
I'm afraid I have to disagree with you....there is a first time for everything!!! :>)
I do not agree that you are naive. You offer a LOT of insightful comments, and I LOVE the fact that you often say so much with so few words:>) Your kindness, intelligence, insight and sense of humor are appreciated:>)
I have my mind well wrapped around that idea, and it is infinitely true...in my humble perception:>)
Salim Solaiman 50+
Wow.....Disagreement also can be such Delightful ......???
Your overly generous disagreement made me overwhelmly obliged.
Have a lovely day.
P.S. Sorry for abusing REPLY button of Krisztian.....as I had no option for the sack of continuity
Colleen Steen 500+
I believe we can maintain joy and delight even when disagreeing. This, to me, is part of the cycle of infinity. While folks are trying to understand infinity by way of numbers, which I respect and am interested in, I use a practical application.
If we look at parts of the definition of infinity, we see...
"Boundlessness; subject to no limitation or external determination; immeasurably or inconceivably great or extensive; being greater than any preassigned finite value;characterized by an infinite number of elements or terms".
We can "wrap our mind around infinity" using an "infinite number of elements or terms", and I believe we are living the cycle of infinity HERE...NOW. So, I percieve the possibilities to connect with that theory in every moment of my life.
Disagreements are often bound by limitations, expectations and external determination. When we bring joy and respect to disagreements, it changes the dynamic of the interaction, thereby causing it to be "greater than any preassigned finite value".
When we bring this concept into every aspect of our life experience, we are living in, and exploring the concept of infinity. It is not "out there" somewhere...it is here and now....we are part of it.....we contribute to it in every moment of our lives. I understand that this may be difficult for our math/science left brain dominant friends to grasp:>)
I am a simple person...uncomplicated...and I find joy in considering an "infinite number of elements or terms". In my humble perception, when we are only looking at answers in terms of math, science, or any other limitation, we are missing some of the important elements:>)
Salim Solaiman 50+
I can't agree more (unable to give you delightment of disagreement , sorry :))
In other post you talked about "exploring" mind....again have to agree..:D
Without any comparison between the persons who said ......I try to use tonics which seems to be very healthy (to me) those are
"Know Thyself".........
"Stay Hungry, Stay Foolish".......
Salim Solaiman 50+
The moment that stretched mind wraps something called infinite that point it loses it's infiniteness.......:)
natasha nikulina 50+
Everything that is named/understood automatically starts to lose its infiniteness......
but...
no matter how 'ungraspable' what you are thinking at the moment can be, the very act of thinking creates new connections in your brain and at some point it can make a leap.
But you can't tell what you've got :)
Colleen Steen 500+
Sometimes, as soon as we (humans) think we "know" something, we sometimes stop exploring, in favor of thinking we "know". Personally, I like the fun of the exploration, and do not need to label or catagorize anything, thereby leaving an open door for an infinite exploration:>) I LOVE learning, and the one thing I think I "know" is that there is always another level of learning:>)
Salim Solaiman 50+
Yeap I agree....& thanks for your compliments
Well you are talking about the "Eureka" moment of Archimedes :)
What you mentioned as the moment of "ungraspability" may also can be felt like moment of infinity.... thats my feeling.
P.S. Sorry had to steal REPLY button of Colleen
natasha nikulina 50+
"Eureka" moment " has a lot to do with a 'leap', I guess :)
It is a moment of integration; an act of knowing. Knowing has no voice for it is a kind of non-dual state and you need mind with its capacity to create recognisable patterns to 'convert' a flash of insight into symbols, equations, poetry...anything, that has 'extendedness' in Time.
Mohammad Mohammadipour
i would like to ask a question:
mathematically speaking, is it possible to find INFINITY1 inside INFINITY2?
Does it limit INFINITY1?
Regards
Salim Solaiman 50+
I am still pondering about main premise as I told earlier.....your this question is nothing different from that.....
Logically when something can limit anything then that no more can be called infinity from that moment ..
Please follow Krisztian & Colleen's post above......Colleen answered your this question replying to the witty response of Krisztian.
Thanks
Mohammad Mohammadipour
i should mention that,
the reseach question has a hypothesis and null hypothesis.
the title is a question and not a premise.
regards
edward long 100+
Salim Solaiman 50+
Thanks for your teaching.....
Despite I already have a dull idea of null hypothesis.
However a premise may come as a question as well...
That's my understanding, any concern about that? I am open please prove your QUESTION.
Regards
Terry Harman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_snowflake
You can see that the inifinate perimeter of the Koch snowflake can be imagined within an infinite space outside the snowflake. With regards to the original question as well it is certainly the nearest I can come to wrapping my mind around infinity.
Mohammad Mohammadipour
i should really appreciate it if you could read Krisztian's discussion and answer the following questions:
is it possible to find infinite sets of infinity inside an infinity?
And now, is it possible to find infinite numbers of infinite universes inside an infinite universe (mind)?
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Regards
pranoy sundar 20+