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Are we able to wrap our mind around infinity?

Infinity. It’s a puzzling concept. Is it real, or a mathematical fiction?
Aristotle believed infinity could only be potential, never actual. To speak of an actual infinity, he argued, is to fall into logical contradiction: “The infinite turns out to be the contrary of what it is said to be,” Aristotle wrote in the Physics. “It is not what has nothing outside it that is infinite, but what always has something outside it.”

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Closing Statement from Mohammad Mohammadipour

Dear All
Thanks for your comments;
And, last but not the least:
Arisen to voiceless unattainable peaks
I meet no end, for all is boundless He,
An absolute Joy the wide-winged spirit seeks,
A Might, a Presence, an Eternity.

In the inconscient dreadful dumb Abyss
Are heard the heart-beats of the Infinite.
The insensible midnight veils His trance of bliss,
A fathomless sealed astonishment of Light.

In His ray that dazzles our vision everywhere,
Our half-closed eyes seek fragments of the One:
Only the eyes of Immortality dare
To look unblinded on that living Sun.

Yet are our souls the Immortal's selves within,
Comrades and powers and children of the Unseen.

Sri Aurobindo(October 1939)
Best Regards.
Mohammad Mohammadipour

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  • May 11 2012: Salam
    Question: "so, do we live in infinite universe(s)?"
    Last answer: "So the answer to your question is: please think over the meaning of the universe! Distinguish between matters and the potential of matters . . . . "

    My understanding of the universe is rather unfamiliar (needs to change our rational feeling):
    We do not live" IN" the universe! "WE ARE THE UNIVERSE".
    If we were not here, our (materialistic part of) universe did not exist. Of course even then there is "potential or possibility" of existence.
    I hope it is clear enough!
    regards
    • May 11 2012: I think, you nailed it " WE ARE THE UNIVERSE" !
      YES !
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        May 11 2012: Hubris? Ego?
        Or loose use of words?
        We are part of the universe, a very small part.
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          May 12 2012: HI
          so, how do you think about reality?
          Regards
        • May 13 2012: Hi, Obey !
          Just an example to make it clearer :

          "You are not stuck in traffic, you are traffic."
          - saw it on a sign while "in" traffic.
          Thadeus Frei
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      May 11 2012: Hamzeh
      So, imagine a child who will born 5 years later..
      Q1: does he know how many brothers he has?
      When he does not exist his brother(s) doesn’t/don’t exist either.
      Let's talk about the shared meaning of universe. It helps to shed light on blind spots.
      Regards
      • May 11 2012: Salam Mohamad
        Sorry,I do not catch your points.
        Are you replying to my comments?
        Regards
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          May 11 2012: Hi Hamzeh
          you can find my reply to your comment at the end of the page.
          Regards
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      May 14 2012: K Hamzeh, Natasha, Obey,
      Are you limiting yourselves? In my perception, we ARE the universe, AND we ARE also a very small part of the universe. We are everything and nothing. The universe and the concept of infinity do not limit us. Our perceptions as humans are the limiting factors. When we try to label and define something based on information we think we "know", it is usually coming from our limited human intelligence:>)

      Good example Natasha..."You are not stuck in traffic, you are traffic."
      We can embrace either perception, or both...can we not? Each perception, is limiting us to a certain idea. Infinity is unlimited, so we can be everything at the same time...or nothing.

      I like to equate it to a drop of water in the ocean...each drop of water is important to the whole. It can be seperate, and/or all interconnected.

      Or electricity, which starts out as a powerful force at the generating plant, and is seperated into our homes as a less powerful force. It is all still connected, and yet seperates at different junctures. That is how I percieve our bodies...as powered by energy which is seperate AND all interconnected:>)

      To me, this seems consistant with Aristotle's quote, which Mohammad offers in the introduction to this discussion... “It is not what has nothing outside it that is infinite, but what always has something outside it.”
      • May 15 2012: Hi, Colleen !

        " We are the universe " vision has nothing to do with limitation,
        but has a lot to do with the quantum description of the world where each electron could be precisely the same one.

        Anyway, thanks for your concern ! :)
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          May 15 2012: Hi Natasha,
          I believe that any perception can involve limitation...or not. And to me, you are all expressing perceptions in the comments above. "WE ARE THE UNIVERSE" ......
          "We are part of the universe, a very small part".... "You are not stuck in traffic, you are traffic" are all perceptions in my perception!

          I'm not "concerned"...simply participating in the discussion as I understand it. I didn't see anything about "quantum description", or "electrons" in the previous comments, and if I did, I probably would not have entered the discussion, because you probably KNOW by now that I am lacking in scientific description!!! LOL:>)

          That being said, however, I agree that "each electron could be precisely the same one", which is what I touch upon with my comment..." I percieve our bodies...as powered by energy which is seperate AND all interconnected":>)
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          May 17 2012: Dear Natasha
          i should really appreciate it if you could read Krisztian's discussion and answer the following questions:

          is it possible to find infinite sets of infinity inside an infinity?
          And now, is it possible to find infinite numbers of infinite universes inside an infinite universe (mind)?
          Please add your comment on the top of the page.
          Regards
      • May 15 2012: Hi, Colleen !

        Frankly , I don't see anything wrong with 'being concerned '
        But if I hurt you in any way, I am sorry !
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          May 15 2012: I don't see anything wrong with being concerned either Natasha, and no, I do not feel hurt in any way...simply participating in the discussion, as I said:>)

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