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The Truth.....
Human being is divided into religions and sects. when a child is born in a community he takes the religion and persuade it. most of them get convinced that their creed is truth and not only they follow it but they protect it, they spread it and die for it.
a group of people are as certain about their rebirth as Muslims or Christians or Jews are certain about the Day of Judgement. every creed promises to provide salvation and mental peace.
all the scholars, priests and philosophers claim to be true. BUT everyone needs that his people must be agreed with him.
truth is like Gold. there is a group of people who devote themselves and meditate on something that they have been taught its Gold, they hardly try to know that the thing is actually gold or not?
a philosopher keep of discussing the method of knowing Gold, without actually touching or knowing the claimed Gold is Gold or not. theologians are busy in protecting the claimed gold in order to malign it with other metals or mix it with other metals.
while i think, there is only one truth, only one thought and only one will.... that is sprouting the rests of the waves in the ocean. i think either truth is as much apparent as the surface of Ocean, right in front of eyes... or mixed in the waves of thoughts, theories and philosophies, one has to jump into ocean and search in the water,....or its deep inside ocean...one has to reach to the core of ocean to know it.
Truth is not that we are 'convinced' by others...truth is what we realize. realization is not going to happen until and unless there is space in mind. i dont want to stirr the faith of devotees, they have found the remedies for their thirst....but for the people who have left blind belief...once left the blind belief its impossible to return to it.
so the where is the ocean...its in ourselves,, we would find truth in ourselves only. think upon you, contemplate upon you and truth would be revealed!
Julija L. 30+
'I think either truth is as much apparent as the surface of Ocean, right in front of eyes... ' - but 'Fish is the last to discover water'.
I am not sure about that one truth. Even though the overall truth would be able to exist, it would probably disappear, like - if everyone/thing would be equally beautiful/ugly, no one would be beautiful/ugly, in fact, no perception of this measure would exist.
Ryan Ingogia
I do respect others that find that it helps them to follow organised religion and gladly talk with them about it. Since neither one of us actually know the truth the sharing of ideas may help each of us with our personal growth.
Adriaan Braam 20+
There exists no religion in which every soul believes exactly the same things as the next person.
But what I believe is the BEST.... for me! LOL
Ryan Ingogia
George Carlin - He does a bit on God. The intent of bit really states there is no God, but what I took from it is that God did not exist as is written. Carpin points out a lot of the contridictions I speak of. If listened to with an open mind some of it may make sense.
South Park Movie - I am sure at least a few of you are stumped, but there is one line by David Spades character as the Greeter in hell that sums up a lot. As the boys enter hell Spade says something to the effect of "Ok, the Mormans got it right and can go to Heaven, everyone else follow me". This truly speaks to my point of no one knowing the right path.
Joel olstein - I am sure I spelled it wrong. I am not an avid follower or even a follower at all, but I have tuned in from time to time. While my belief is that he promotes Christianity, he does not drill it it or force it upon you threatening eternity in hell for disobeying. When I listen to Olstein I hear him talk about Morales, doing good and helping your fellow man. Again those concepts and teachings are shared by many organised religions.
I am sure there are others, but those are the ones that came to mind while making this post.
However, when looking for God to talk to you try looking in unobvious places. Listen to music, read books and watch movies. Just have the ability to decipher it. For me many country songs teach morales and in movies Morgan Freeman's roles tend to come to mind. My point with this is if you were "God" today and spread your word, how would you do it? David Karesh (sp) claimed to be the son of God and we laughed him off, so as a people was would not be accepting of the "return".
Just more to think about.
Adriaan Braam 20+
"My point with this is if you were "God" today and spread your word, how would you do it?"
This is not only about spreading His Word but also, to what goal? What is the use in all of this?
My personal (Swedenborgian) belief is that God is "spreading His word" leaving each and everyone of us in complete freedom. We are in complete freedom because God only wants us to go to heaven if it is OUR choice.
Our choice is 100% based on what we love and love only exists when there is complete freedom. No freedom means no love.
God is not in a hurry, He's been on it 'from eternity' but has never changed. Whatever was His word, changed as we changed. It was always accommodated to our needs and rationality and freedom. It very much changed as a parent changes their way raising a child.
Humanity has made some amazing leaps in the last 100 years to the point that science seems to have taken over. It is like a teenager discovering the Ipod and from then on only focuses on that and disconnects from his/her loving environment.
Some people need a NDE to 'reconnect', luckily all some need is a good movie :)
I see religion as nothing more than spiritual 'car pooling'. Sometimes we end up in an accident. Sometimes we are forced to make a detour etc As long as we get to where WE want to go.. go.
Adriaan Braam 20+
"The purpose of this article is to contrast two theories of truth: the secular Postmodern theory and the Neo-Christian theory. This article constitutes a sketch of a very large topic. It has seven sections. The first two introduce the topic by stating what truth is, why the subject is important, and in what sense it is important. The third, fourth, and fifth sections proceed in a dialectical manner. The secular Postmodern assertion that there is no such thing as absolute truth is followed by the Neo-Christian assertion that there is: God is absolute truth. The objection that even if there is absolute truth, we cannot know it, is met in sections four and five. In these sections I not only show (from revelation) that we can know the truth, but also that we can have an awareness that what we know is the truth. The sixth section is designed to rebut the secular Postmodern assertion that we cannot love the truth for its own sake. The final section is entitled "A Cautionary Tale." It is a memorable relation that illustrates the fate of a secular Postmodernist in the life after death."
And this is the article
http://swedenborg-philosophy.org/journal/article.php?page=1031&issue=106
Roy Bourque 20+
I think we need to differentiate religious fundamentalism from spiritual growth. The devil likes religious fundamentalism because it leads people to do terrible things in the name of their god. Spiritual growth leads people to question their motives.
The fact that certain religions took root, doesn't mean that they are the only right path. They all have the same basic principles; establish rules for peace and harmony, seek guidance from a higher power, learn to distinguish right from wrong. Hard core fundamentalists take it to extremes. They establish the guidelines of right and wrong based on what benefits them as a group. They narrow it down to survival. It is right to demoralize competitors. It is right to kill infidels. It is right to punish those who violate the rules as they see them.
The rules of ancient religion were established to prevent self destruction. They were necessary to avoid disease and promote social cohesion. Certain rules were written in stone because they promote peace and harmony throughout successive generations. But aside from the rules, there was the need to grow spiritually.
I like your analogy of jumping into the ocean and searching the waters. We have to have an open mind. We have to be willing to question things including what our religion is telling us. We have to seek understanding, not just believe.
Modern science has led many to abandon their faith. They never saw faith as open ended, they only saw the narrow corridor that was preached to them. Once they leave it behind, there is plenty of literature to criticize existing belief systems to keep them at bay. How do you get them to see the light? Only by revealing the light. People will listen to those who show a more excellent way. They will not listen to those who act or preach forcefully. Love and forgiveness will soften hearts. Guns and violence will only harden them.
Vivek Trivedi 10+
Ed Schulte 50+
There is "relative" Truth and there is "Absolute" Truth.
The former is what the HUman mind invents and plays with for its amusements and false satisfactions ( iow compensation for inability to know "Absolute" Truth) while the latter is MIND.