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Is War A Necessary Evil?
Thomas Robert Malthus discovered that the human population is grows exponentially and if it where to continue in such manner, we would run out resources. Therefore it's necessary for a certain number of humans to die so we can keep the balance. So would that make war a necessary evil?
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Ed Schulte 50+
War is a mind¬set, and all action that comes out of such a mind¬set will either strengthen the enemy, the perceived evil, or, if the war is won, will create a new enemy, a new evil equal to and often worse than the one that was defeated. There is a deep interrelatedness between your state of consciousness and external reality. When you are in the grip of a mind¬set such as “war,” your perceptions become extremely selective as well as distorted. In other words, you will see only what you want to see and then misinterpret it. You can imagine what kind of action comes out of such a delusional system. Or instead of imagining it, watch the news on TV tonight.
Recognize the ego for what it is: a collective dysfunction, the insanity of the human mind. When you recognize it for what it is, you no longer misperceive it as somebody's identity. Once you see the ego for what it is, it becomes much easier to remain nonreactive toward it. you don't take it personally anymore. there is no complaining, blaming, accusing, or making wrong. Nobody is wrong. It is the ego in someone, that's all. Compassion arises when you recognize that all are suffering from the same sickness of the mind, some more acutely than others. You do not fuel the drama anymore that is part of all egoic relationships. What is its fuel? Reactivity. The ego thrives on it.
Ed Schulte 50+
WAR IS A MIND¬SET
In certain cases, you may need to protect yourself or someone else from being harmed by another, but beware of making it your mission to “eradicate evil,” as you are likely to turn into the very thing you are fighting against. Fighting unconsciousness will draw you into unconsciousness yourself. Unconsciousness, dysfunctional egoic behavior, can never be defeated by attacking it. Even if you defeat your opponent, the unconsciousness will simply have moved into you, or the opponent reappears in a new disguise. Whatever you fight, you strengthen, and what you resist, persists.
These days you frequently hear the expression “the war against” this or that, and whenever I hear it, I know that it is condemned to failure. There is the war against drugs, the war against crime, the war against terrorism, the war against cancer, the war against poverty, and so on. For example, despite the war against crime and drugs, there has been a dramatic increase in crime and drug¬related offenses in the past twenty¬five years. The prison population of the United States has gone up from just under 300,000 in 1980 to a staggering 2.1 million in 2004.4 The war against disease has given us, amongst other things, antibiotics. At first, they were spectacularly successful, seemingly enabling us to win the war against infectious diseases. Now many experts agree that the widespread and indiscriminate use of antibiotics has created a time bomb and that antibiotic¬resistant strains of bacteria, so¬called super bugs, will in all likelihood bring about a reemergence of those diseases and possibly epidemics. According to the Journal of the American Medical Association, medical treatment is the third¬leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer in the United States. Homeopathy and Chinese medicine are two examples of possible alternative approaches to disease that do not treat the illness as an enemy and therefore do not create new diseases.
Ed Schulte 50+
To call war "evil" would be to call HUmanity "evil" and thereby promote/justify wars of the future.
The past is the past ....would Humans advanced to where they are now without it….no one could prove it …..but definitely the 60’s attitude of “make Love not war” has decreased the attitude of Humans towards war other then to resort to “smart weapons ( less personal involvement ie:clean hands and more destructive).
The only way out of wars “evil” nature is to understand “UN-consciousness and its character for what it is.
A current event example …this a participant in a riot …is an adequate example of collective UN-consciousness and how it ( as does any collective consciousness action) grows by …….collective effect.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/a-vancouver-rioter-speaks.html
The people of this city are in a unique situation of demonstrating (globally) that "Forgiveness" and its high frequency "Compassion" will yield a growth in consciousness whereas judgement and "make wrong" mentality will promote greater Unconscious behavior at the earliest opportunity.
and back to the specific flavour of your thread ...when HUmans become conscious and live consciously ( IOW without the wasteful actions of Ego ) their needs will be met ...exactly....by the resources within their creative consciousness(s) and fully supported by the material Universe ...after all that is what it is manifested for
Krisztián Pintér 200+
Ed Schulte 50+
Krisztián Pintér 200+
Maxime Touzel
I think we must bring World Peace by peaceful means at all cost, but not at the cost of human lives.
We must do everything we can to prevent the next World War.
Jim Moonan 30+
Wouldn't that be ironic, to say the least?!
I don't think we've reached that point yet, but will definitely reach a point where we will have to re-invent war, re-invent ways to hurt others. Even today war has shifted from "conventional" warfare (uniforms, armies, etc.) to something much more amorphous.
Power will find a way to stay in power.
Maxime Touzel
There is no need to re-invent war, war cannot change it stays war. We need to find a way to make peace more powerful than war and that will bring war to it's grave.
To make war obsolete.
Jim Moonan 30+
I think war/agression is perhaps the worst attribute that can be placed on the male gender. I think war is an invention of men. I think warring is an expression that is unique to men in general and to those men in power in particular.
Women are peace. How long will men deny that??? Do men really want peace??? Giving women the power to lead will release men from their aggressions and they can be free to do the things we do best, whatever that might be (Love?).
Maxime Touzel
No to make war disappear, we need to rewrite the laws and reform the system, the whole economy. Ideally it would be easier if all the nations could agree to reform to a new global system, where profiting from wars is impossible.
Sara Kay
The war between the North and the South over Slavery - At that time people in the North were protesting over slavery and wanted it to stop. Therefore a war was started. Many people did die, but after it there was no more slavery (Just discrimination) I think this war wasn't evil because it helped free slaves in the end. (Well the aftereffects of the war, not sure about just the war and fighting)
Debra Smith 200+
Guneet Narula
Emily Jacobsen
Guneet Narula
gale kooser 20+
Sabin Muntean 30+
A great talk on this topic is http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/hans_rosling_on_global_population_growth.html.
Hans Rosling explains why in order to check population growth we must raise living standards for the world's poorest populations.
Looking at the already developed countries today and expecting the developing ones to also have such demographic changes human population will eventually reach an all-time high during this century but will then either flatten out or even begin to decrease. Exactly what will happen depends on how the developing countries will do, but I doubt that continuous exponential growth is plausible.
Peter Emer
No i dont support war in any way, shape or form. I just wanted to hear what people have to say.
And i completely agree with you that we can find other ways to control the human population.
Thanks for the link, i will definitely take a look at it and get back to you.