Julija L.

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Is it not absolutely natural to watch one's facial expressions, body posture, natural body qualities - the whole compound of them all?

Watching 'Nadia Al-Sakkaf: See Yemen through my eyes' and reading comments, discussions below the video, I decided to ask some questions to get some replies from the ones who probably are way more competent in some fields than me.
I just want to add that I do not want to offend anybody, I live where headscarves, hijabs, nijabs, etc. are not worn and to me occurred some very natural questions.
When we talk about all that headscarf-matter we probably talk more about the cultural matters, but I would like to watch at this from the nature-side.
So, is it not fundamentally natural to observe people's faces and bodies to perceive all the nonverbal information? To protect yourself, to be sure if it's not a lie, to understand the feelings better, to understand if a person suits you for a close friendship, cooperation, etc.
Another point which may sound not very attractively, but, again: is it not natural to 'search' for a life partner almost by all of the senses? Estimate him/her visually, by the scent (not perfumes, but some natural 'perfumes', for example, pheromones), also, even by touching. Of course, all the 'conclusion making' of all 'parameters' is probably more on the unconscious mind.
But this conclusion making (men on women), and in fact, taking 'the parameters' into 'consideration' is not allowed by hijabs, burcas etc.
Does this natural research of a partner is not valuable? To spend most of the time and create a family with the one, who would be 'accepted' on the unconscious level (the set of genes is acceptable), to be sure that the temperament is acceptable and so on.
I would like to hear those people who say that headscarves and others are cultural, moral or some other matter, and who find the counterarguments to all arguments of those who think about them with a controversy.
Addition: is it possible to get enough of vitamin D wearing this kind of clothes?

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    Apr 12 2012: Yes, it is absolutely natural to simply be able to tell if we like a woman's body or face. With that way we can match better in a relationship. If you actually like physically a woman you will be happier. It is a good start.
    But some rules must be applied. For instance it is nice to be properly clothed in front of minors (non adults). That is why I don't support public nudism. I am not going to pretend that I will be offended in front of a naked woman (especially if she is beautiful, LOL) but some discretion must be applied.

    Dress codes should exist for various reasons, besides protecting the body from natural elements. But one permanent dressing code for all occasions is wrong. I don't care if it is bikini, hijab, string, burcas, athletic outfit or a suit. Especially if that dressing code never matches any of the modern human activities of any kind.
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    Apr 11 2012: We have to be very careful of our preconceptions.Certain body language of facial expressions may trigger unconscious memories that could positively or negatively influence our response to the other person. So our unconscious, instinctive reactions are often clouded, not a "pure" reflection of the other person, I think. If we can work our way through those things, it makes sense to me to be aware of the full breadth of qualities and characteristics of our interaction with the other person. Otherwise, we may be repressing an aspect of the interrelationship. Then it becomes a matter of choice, in how much importance we assign to each attribute.
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      Apr 11 2012: What about talking with a person with a stoned face and body? Does this lead to a pure 'reflection'?
      I suppose, any random detail may trigger memory - a fleck on a burca, the color of hair, shaking hands...
      Facial and body expressions is mainly a social function, isn't it? It's for showing feelings, thoughts (sometimes without words) as well as proving the words with them, sometimes for showing what you want to show. Is this not a highly valuable tool we all have? Is it not naturally vital - and we can refuse it?
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    Apr 11 2012: Julija,
    Hijabs and Burqas have gracefully rendered an identity over the years to people/group who use it. Yes, i agree that when we are talking of globalised world , these headgear pose a lot of inconvenience to both quarters, still we have to respect our bretherens' practices. Talking about facial expressions, people have been misled even by those who do not use any kind of headgear. So, every individual have to be alert and cautious and use his own wisdom at every point of his life.
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      Apr 29 2012: Hello Leena,
      "Hijabs and Burqas have gracefully rendered an identity over the years to people/group who use it" - why then a tourist woman, for example, has to were a headscarf (and to be sure of the right length of sleeves and trousers)? I don't know about India, I suppose it's not necessary there, or it depends on a region, but, for example, in Iran it's necessary. So, I do not get the point here.
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    Apr 8 2012: Hi

    Yes you are right, how we automatically make snapshot visual assessments of a person when first encountering them which is only natural,it's built in to our general makeup and genetic.

    The Burca is a religious tradition? Not knowing how it came about or why as i'm of another religion leads me to speculate that it is either to protect the women from dubious eye's or it is to protect the male from his Carnal nature or it is ownership.This is speculation only.

    We use full physical form communication everyday that it is odd for us when we come into contact with a set of traditions that changes this common practice from another part of the planet.For me it is odd but that is their way,if they should want to change this then it would come from within the group rather than an outside force.

    I would venture enough to say that a father would upon finding a young man suitable of character and a sense of where he is going in life would allow him to interact with his daughter.Old world but quaint.I'm sure it is vastly different from what i describe as i haven't had the pleasure of talking to them that practice it.
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      Apr 9 2012: I wonder if it can be replaced by something or be ignored at all without the serious outcome, maybe negative, maybe positive, but really a little far from our nature. As to me it seems to be vital, to refuse it is the same like refusing drinking or eating. We can refuse to drink for several days only, we can refuse to eat for around a month, and without 'scanning' the person we probably can live much longer, probably the whole life, but surely with some misunderstandings, which sometimes can be even fatal. A human is not a glass of water, or a piece of pie, here - you never know, even the 'scanning' does not always work properly, and refusing it it's something I can't understand, so I would especially appreciate some comments of people experiencing this in real, but oh, thanks for your reply, too =]
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        Apr 9 2012: I see women in full burca and Hijab everyday,in a strange way i like it.it means my kids get to interact with their kids and have a better people view.
  • Apr 8 2012: Granted that I am not competent in this specific field, i think we get into a somewhat contrived argument if we don't take into account that culture does play a key role in our innermost selves, since you have been surrounded in it from the very beginning of your life.

    Mindsets, beliefs and customs are deeply ingrained in our psyche and soul as we are brought up in a given environment. That's why i find myself unable, in some respects, to separate culture and nature, which are distinct concepts indeed, yet it's difficult to say (as concerns the human perception, mark these words) where the borderline lies deep in our mind. An immediate example that comes to mind is that we are not living like monkeys and we're not walking around naked because it's not socially acceptable. I don't think that's something different from other more peculiar or local aspects of culture (which include religious constraints).
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      Apr 9 2012: Are you saying that mindsets, beliefs and customs are 'ingrained deeper' than the natural 'laws'?
      It is quite easy to replace nudity with some clothes on, but can that 'scanning' of a person be replaced by something else? To me, it occurs, the 'scanning' is vital like sleeping, eating, cooperation, cognition of the environment, etc.
      • Apr 9 2012: Of course, on the one hand beliefs and customs are not ingrained deeper than, say, those basic human needs including what you refer to as "scanning". Nevertheless, i think that on the other hand they can also shape your mindset and change the way you see the world and yourself, not differently from what sensory experiences do.

        I would not regard one's beliefs and customs as simple "clothes" either, but rather as "home" in its broadest sense. To make myself clear, I think religion and traditions help you to feel at home and represent the best method whereby men are trying to drive away their profound inner loneliness, so to stop groping in the dark. Being an atheist myself, it's not easy for me to really pin down this feeling either, but i'm sure this is one of the major advantages of having faith and religion.