Dyed All Hues

Thinker and Experimenter,

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Is there always a reason for something or can spontaniety exist in todays world? Can something really happen without any reason?

Does logic get in the way of your world? Does your emotions get in the way of your world? Do both get in the way of your world?

Have you ever contemplated this? I currently am.....

Closing Statement from Dyed All Hues

I felt that everyones responses were clear and thoughtful.

I felt that my question has been answered.

I also have developed new questions about other things, but that is life.

I am delighted at the results and thankful you have taken the time to respond to my question.

May you treat life well and in return it will treat you well. Thanks for reading and responding to my thoughts. =D

Ciao!

  • Mar 18 2012: I would say spontaneity occurs when man is confronted by unusual natural acts, a competition between men, when a person is first confronted by an unusal set of circumstances (a child meets a puppy).

    On a personal note, being married and raising a family has created many spontaneous moments of all descriptions in my life...
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      Mar 20 2012: So you bring a point of a set of emotions arises; emotions which can only be defined as spontaneous?
      • Mar 20 2012: Let's get more basic than that. A set of conditions brought on by man or nature that confront another man (or animal for that matter) will provoke a response. This response will be different in different people. To a parent, a child's cry provokes fear, curiosity, concern, and perhaps annoyance. To another child the response is different. Finding a snake in your yard would provoke a similar variety of responses. Some are happy (those that eat snakes), some are curious (those that study snakes) and some are afraid (those that fear snakes). Each response is different between people, may not be consistent (as knowledge of snakes increases or you develop a taste for them) or you are influenced by the reactions of others to the snake. If you compound circumstances, a snake, at night, in a rainstorm, and you have lost your glasses, the response would be different. s he complexity of the stimulus increases (add people, natural acts, other aniimals, personal experiences,emotions) the response will correspondingly be less predictable. I would say that as the response becomes less predictable, its spontaneity increases.
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          Mar 21 2012: I believe, sir, that we have created a correlation and a graph with a curve. =)

          I like the idea of that. Predictability is the key component, then that means we should expect the unexpected, most of the time. =)
  • Mar 18 2012: Sorry to interject.... I would like to suggest though that there is a duality between good and evil, God and Satan, order and chaos etc.

    So then to suggest chaos has resaon? I would like to think that it is God who acts out of reason (creation) and Satan who acts out of irrationality (destruction).

    The way I can explain this, is that once something has lived it's healthy life with the energy that is allocated to it when created, it will start to naturally disintegrate and decompose. I am not attempting to join a theological discussion, but I do hope to convince you that there are two states of being, life and death. Other synonymous words could include structured and random, and so I would say yes to the original intent of the question as I have interpreted it.

    Yes there is such a thing as spontenaity (usually denoted a positive connotation), but I would suggest that it will only lead to destruction (at least of the accepted status quo and given norms).

    The poet Bob Dylan possibly was the first to say "Get busy living or get busy dying".

    To sum up my position on this question that has been asked... we have freewill as human beings and so we must continually choose life or death. Yes there are consequences to everything that we do, but, we also have the choice to abstain from action until a better choice presents itself.

    Good question though - I have often doubted it my self :)
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      Mar 20 2012: Thanks for your input. =)

      I always try and think of middle ground or an arbitrary plain, where both can coexists, but life and death is a whole other concept I would check out next, maybe, because life and death is in the realm of extremes, but middle ground for both....something new to ponder about.
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    Mar 17 2012: The Law of Causality demands that every event is caused by something. Spontaniety has to do with the absence of planning, forethought or premeditation and is separate and distinct from causality. For example, you may do something on the spur of the moment without thinking or planning it. That does not change the fact that there is an underlying cause for you making the decision to do that spontaneous thing. Only God is uncaused.
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      Mar 17 2012: So spotaniety is but a product of reasons? So spotaniety doesn't actually exist and the dictionary definition should be revised then?
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        Mar 18 2012: The way your question is worded, Mr. Young, makes it seem that spontaniety is an event, or action which has no reason. There is no such event or action. Everything has a reason (cause). To be spontaneious simply means to act without first thinking about the possible results of said act. You just do it! That does not mean the act has no cause. Acting with no constraint, effort or premeditation is a valid definition requiring no revision. Even spontaneous acts happen for a reason. Yes, spontaniety is a product of reasons, as you say. If you are looking for acts without reason, or cause, you must look at God's acts.
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          Mar 18 2012: Whose God? If that God had to act, then that means there is some reason. God doesn't suddenly do something with no reason, like say he blinks which causes a bomb to blow up and he goes, "opps...that just happened but eh....I need no reason or cause."
          And "God" is actually a whole other topic, though, but do try and give me an idea without getting deep into the heart of the matter.
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        Mar 18 2012: You are correct, sir. A new topic has arisen. Your search is no longer for understanding regarding spontaneity but for the one, true God. I, personally, recommend the Holy Bible, King James Version. God bless you Mr. Young.
      • Mar 18 2012: hmmm, my freewill let me choose the wrong place to click... perhaps good and evil are too heavy in our discussion though. ALL choices have consequence but only God is eternal and outside these consequences I feel. Are we talking too broad though? Should the question be defined as "can humans truly become spontaneous without losing their psyche to a state of disorder" I certainly experience this in my own life!
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          Mar 20 2012: Yes, disorder, distrust, and disbelief arises from spontaneity and sometimes even death can arise, though these are the negative extremes of spontaneity, I feel that crazy out-of-control feeling when things seem to be really spontaneous.

          What are the goods of spontaneity, since the negatives are such a strong issue right now.